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Dans son écrin naturel d’exception, la Baie de St Brieuc, site préservé, fourmille de surprises.

La cinquième baie du monde pour l’amplitude de ses marées est située sur l’axe de migration Manche-Atlantique. Quelques 50 000 oiseaux font ici une halte migratoire ou y résident en hivernage : oies de Sibérie, locustelle tachetée, puffin des Baléares, alouette des champs, linottes mélodieuses, bernaches cravant… Ces hôtes savent que dans ce paysage de plus de mille hectares, apparemment désertique, une vie animale intense anime les eaux et le sable. Un véritable garde-manger ! Le fond de la baie abrite aussi une géologie remarquable, des dunes, des prés-salés… La réserve naturelle veille sur ce patrimoine naturel remarquable en optimisant la compatibilité entre la conservation du patrimoine, le maintien des activités humaines et l’accueil du public. Suivant les heures, les marées, les saisons, l’estran change… Arrêtez-vous. Contemplez.

 

Source: Baie de Saint Brieuc Tourisme

 

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the Meyer's parrot (poicephalus meyeri) is uncommon in southern africa except a few areas in botswana.i tried to catch this bird in tuli block close to a waterhole.they come to drink at morning and later disappear in to the bush.the parrots came but too early,just before the light.

you can see the sunlight with the bird still in to the shade.quite complicate for the feather quality but a nice effect in the background.

tuli block, southern botswana

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SOOC except for a bit of straightening.

 

On [October 13, 2022] the Moon was in a Waning Gibbous Phase. This is the first phase after the Full Moon occurs. [...]. The average Moon rise for this phase is between 9pm and Midnight depending on the age of the phase. The moon rises later and later each night setting after sunrise in the morning. During this phase the Moon can also be seen in the early morning daylight hours on the western horizon. Moongiant

Le Canard pilet (Anas acuta) est une espèce de canards barboteurs relativement commun et répandu dans les zones nordiques de l'Europe, de l'Asie et d'une grande partie du Canada, de l'Alaska et de la moitié ouest des États-Unis. Fait inhabituel pour un oiseau si répandu, il n'a pas de sous-espèce géographique sur l'essentiel de son aire de répartition, à l'exception du Canard pilet des îles Kerguelen et celui des Crozet, qui sont considérés comme espèces distinctes par certains auteurs.

 

Ce canard est un migrateur qui descend vers le sud en hiver pour atteindre parfois l'équateur. Pendant cette période, il est très grégaire, se mélangeant à d'autres canards.

 

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except the facts which existed at the moment of exposure, does not see very far.

Frank Meadow Sutcliffe

 

HMM! HPPT!

 

camellia, j c raulston arboretum, ncsu, raleigh, north carolina

SOOC except for slight crop,

 

Vancouver

... except when an other tomcat is in his territory 😊

 

Happy Caturday 7.1.2023 "Peaceful"

Except the recent texture works, I have not posted birds for a long time - time to change this 😊

Isolation is aloneness that feels forced upon you, like a punishment. Solitude is aloneness you choose and embrace. I think great things can come out of solitude, out of going to a place where all is quiet except the beating of your heart. -Jeanne Marie Laskas

 

I hope you're not getting tired of my Palouse images - I have many more :)

I do not love you except because I love you;

I go from loving to not loving you,

From waiting to not waiting for you

My heart moves from cold to fire.

 

I love you only because it's you the one I love;

I hate you deeply, and hating you

Bend to you, and the measure of my changing love for you

Is that I do not see you but love you blindly.

Maybe January light will consume

My heart with its cruel

Ray, stealing my key to true calm.

 

In this part of the story I am the one who

Dies, the only one, and I will die of love because I love you,

Because I love you, Love, in fire and blood.

 

 

except sometimes and in my head :-)

Diane Arbus

 

Character Matters!

 

southern magnolia, 'Ferruginea', j c raulston arboretum, ncsu, raleigh, north carolina

Except it's a grouse, not a pheasant (doh)

Le Combattant varié présente un dimorphisme sexuel extrême et les ornements du mâle diffèrent d’un individu à l’autre au niveau de la couleur et des dessins.

En plumage nuptial, le mâle a le bas du dos et la queue barrés de noir. Le manteau et les scapulaires varient du noir au brun, en passant par chamois, châtain, ocre et blanc. Les parties inférieures sont plutôt sombres, excepté le bas de l’abdomen, le dessous des ailes et les sous-caudales qui sont blancs.

 

Sur la tête, les oreillons et la collerette varient beaucoup en couleur, allant du chamois ou châtain au violet noirâtre, noir ou blanc, souvent avec des dessins barrés ou mouchetés.

Le bec est brun ou orange terne. Les yeux sont brun foncé. Les pattes et les doigts sont jaune verdâtre ou orange foncé. Les petites caroncules verruqueuses de la face varient et peuvent être verdâtres, jaunâtres, orangées, rougeâtre ou brunes.

 

Au moment des parades, les mâles observent une hiérarchie dictée par les couleurs des plumes ornementales. Les mâles « résidents » ou « indépendants » ont le plumage plus foncé, en particulier les oreillons et la collerette, tandis que les mâles « satellites » sont légèrement plus petits et ont généralement la collerette et les oreillons clairs ou blancs.

Ces plumes ornementales sont visibles pendant une durée relativement courte, en général d’avril à juin. En dehors de cette période, le mâle ressemble à la femelle au niveau de la silhouette et de la couleur du plumage, mais il est nettement plus grand.

Le Combattant est une espèce dont la reproduction est atypique chez les limicoles, ne donnant pas lieu à la formation

de couples. Les mâles se rassemblent sur des places de parade (appelées leks) où ils se livrent à des simulacres de

combats afin d’attirer les femelles. Certains mâles présents sur ces arènes pourront se reproduire avec plusieurs

femelles, d’autres ne trouvant jamais de partenaire. Les femelles, quant à elles, pourront fréquenter plusieurs arènes

et s’accoupler avec plusieurs mâles.

Les femelles nichent solitairement jusqu’à plusieurs kilomètres des arènes. Les œufs sont déposés dans une cuvette

grattée dans le sol, garnie de quelques végétaux et bien dissimulée dans la végétation. La période de ponte s’étale de

début avril à fin juin . Les quatre œufs, brun-olive tachetés de noir, sont incubés par la femelle durant trois

semaines. Les poussins, nidifuges, peuvent être abandonnés par la femelle après seulement 10 à 15 jours. Ils sont

aptes au vol au bout de quatre semaines. La femelle n’élève pas plus d’une nichée par an. La maturité sexuelle est

atteinte parfois dès un an et plus généralement à deux ans chez les femelles, les mâles se reproduisant rarement avant

deux ans.

Le baguage des jeunes oiseaux a permis de montrer l’absence de philopatrie. Le « brassage » génétique qui en résulte

peut expliquer l’absence de sous-espèce et même de population biogéographique chez cette espèce dont l’aire de

reproduction est pourtant très vaste.

La longévité maximale observée grâce aux données de baguage est d’environ 13 ans

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Owyhigh Lakes and Governor's Ridge, Mount Rainier National Park, Washington

 

I hiked to these lakes today and except for some haze due to wildfire smoke drifting down from Canada, it was a "picture perfect" day at Mount Rainier National Park.

 

This is one of my favorite early summer hikes because it melts out earlier than most higher elevation hikes. The first 3.3 miles climbs up through a lovely forest with huge trees, the sound of the river in the background, and the summer scent of a sun-warmed coniferous forest. Then abruptly the forest ends and suddenly, as if passing through a door to another world, you're in a beautiful and wondrous subalpine meadow full of mountains and flowers. Hiking a bit further takes you to the basin where a pair of lakes lies in front of the rocky rise of Governor's Ridge. I spent a long time in the meadow and basin today enjoying the beautiful weather and soaking in the views.

 

(On a side note, I'm posting the pano shot I took with my phone because it is a bit of a personal 'triumph' for me. I am notoriously terrible with taking phone pano shots - for some reason keeping the arrow on the line while moving the phone is quite challenging for me. Lol But I finally got one to turn out so I felt like I had to post it!)

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Eindhoven (NL) 20-06-2021

Fietsbrug Tegenbosch

  

Om de aansluiting van de drukke Anthony Fokkerweg op de A2 te kunnen verbeteren moest het fietspad op het viaduct verdwijnen. Voor de fietsers kwam er een nieuwe 160 meter lange fietsbrug over de A2 / N2, die daar maar liefst veertien rijstroken breed is, nog afgezien van de bijbehorende vluchtstroken en (midden)bermen.

 

In order to improve the connection of the busy Anthony Fokkerweg to the A2, the cycle path on the viaduct had to disappear. For cyclists, a new 160-metre-long bicycle bridge was built over the A2 / N2, which is no less than fourteen lanes wide there, not counting the associated emergency lanes and (central) verges.

 

Um die Anbindung des stark befahrenen Anthony Fokkerweg an die A2 zu verbessern, musste der Radweg auf dem Viadukt verschwinden. Für den Radfahrer wurde eine neue 160 Meter lange Fahrradbrücke über die A2/N2 gebaut, die dort nicht weniger als vierzehn Fahrspuren breit ist, die zugehörigen Standstreifen und Mittel-/Seitenstreifen nicht mitgerechnet.

 

Afin d'améliorer la connexion du très fréquenté Anthony Fokkerweg à l'A2, la piste cyclable sur le viaduc a dû disparaître. Pour les cyclistes, une nouvelle passerelle cyclable de 160 mètres de long a été construite au-dessus de l'A2/N2, qui compte pas moins de quatorze voies de large, sans compter les voies d'urgence associées et les accotements (centraux).

 

Para mejorar la conexión de la transitada Anthony Fokkerweg con la A2, el carril bici del viaducto tuvo que desaparecer. Para los ciclistas, se construyó un nuevo puente ciclista sobre la A2/N2 de 160 metros de longitud, que tiene nada menos que catorce carriles de ancho, sin contar los carriles de emergencia asociados y los arcenes (centrales).

 

Per migliorare il collegamento della trafficata Anthony Fokkerweg con la A2, la pista ciclabile sul viadotto ha dovuto scomparire. Per i ciclisti è stato realizzato un nuovo ponte ciclabile lungo 160 metri sulla A2/N2, che è largo ben quattordici corsie, senza contare le corsie di emergenza e le banchine (centrali) associate.

 

Para melhorar a ligação do movimentado Anthony Fokkerweg à A2, a ciclovia do viaduto teve de desaparecer. Para os ciclistas, foi construída uma nova ponte ciclável com 160 metros de comprimento sobre a A2/N2, que não tem menos de catorze faixas de rodagem, sem contar as faixas de emergência associadas e as bermas (centrais).

  

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except that it ain't so :-)

Mark Twain, 1898

 

HMM!! Justice Matters!

 

echinacea, coneflowers, little theater garden, raleigh, north carolina

except if it is on your head and folded down your collar.

 

The return of the silly series and i must say no money was harmed , wasted or spent in the making of this image . In fact it is a small part of my biannual home printing stash just needing to be cut up into separate notes : )

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Nothing special here except the American icon looking regal. What more can I say?

 

Photographed at Circle B Bar Reserve, Lakeland, Florida, USA.

 

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Thanks for visiting and for your faves and comments.

 

If you'd like to see more of my images, go to www.schockenphotography.com. I have many images of eagles and other raptors as well as owls, woodpeckers, hummingbirds, songbirds and mammals and I have a full section on birds in flight which is my specialty.

Nobody on the main street in Finikounda except those tourists.

I was just lucky to find two different dragonflies the other day by the lake, shot it against the lake, so, no clutter there. And this one happened to rest on this wildflower, couldn't been better. I did have another shot in this setting, except the dragonfly resting on the bottom of the stalk, not being intimate with the flower. SO, I chose this one posted instead.

Un hôtel d’exception dans une région où il fait bon vivre et venir se relaxer !

@hotelducastellet est situé en plein coeur de la nature sur la commune du #castellet (@lecastellettourisme) dans le #var (@visit_var) en #provence à proximité du circuit Paul Ricard @circuitpaulricard.

 

Vous pourrez profiter de son Spa (@spaducastellet) de son golf, et déguster les plats du chef triplement étoilé et meilleur ouvrier de France @christophe_bacquie, un pur moment de bonheur où les papilles et les pupilles sont à l’honneur avec une cuisine moderne, inventive et concentrée sur l’essentiel.

Pour résumer y venir c’est vouloir y retourner pour profiter de l’art de vivre à la provençale !

#cotedazur #cotedazurfrance #guidemichelin #mof #chef #grandetabledumonde #gaultetmillau #castellet #paulricard #paulricardcircuit #jmlpyt #photographer #photography #gettyimagescontributor #canonfrance #shootuploadrepeat #placetobe #francemagique #luxurylifestyle #luxuryhotel #gastronomia #gastronomie #gastronomiefrancaise #explorefrance #explore_regionsud #france #francetourisme

 

Amsterdam

 

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Porto, Cais da Estiva & Cais da Ribeira (P) 22-09-2015

 

com o paço episcopal à direita

met rechts het voormalig bisschoppelijk paleis

with the former bishop's palace on the right

mit dem ehemaligen Bischofspalast auf der rechten Seite

avec l'ancien palais épiscopal à droite

con el antiguo palacio episcopal a la derecha

con l'ex palazzo vescovile sulla destra

  

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Dipper

1300.12.10.21

In this series (except for the first 'slow shutter' image), all the dippers pictured were from my second dipper site which is between Bury and Ramsbottom. This image is from the first dipper site which is not far from Bury town centre. The river near the breeding spot is very wide so the opportunity for getting close shots is reduced. It is also a location that is used by dog walkers who throw sticks in the river for their dogs to retrieve. This behaviour whilst understandable does not encourage the birds to come close. The stretch of river is also used by weed smokers and folk whom I would regard as untrustworthy miscreants. So when photographing I took a little risk and so chose my moments before draping camo about my person and lens.

The birds at this site had four chicks that fledged successfully and none got predated. On my last visit, the river was deserted, it was chucking down rain and one of the chicks flew towards my feet and then the whole family of juvs followed waiting to get fed. Both the male and female came in together to feed the chicks...what a joy to have a family of dippers literally around your feet!

There is nothing permanent except change !!

   

except for the hazelnut catkins, these are the first flowers in my garden

 

Except maybe just a little dusting of snow so I can take photos.

Everything comes to those who wait... except a cat.

 

Mario Andretti

 

Hello my Flickr friends!

Another Monday and another red day at Color My World Daily Group. And the theme at Macro Mondays is: on a coin. I must admit that this was by far the most rules exhaustive theme.

 

And since I’m collecting coins (yes, if you don’t know yet; I’m a hoarder … but I have other charming qualities which makes me an unique and lovable hoarder, at least it is what I like to think about myself…), I decided to go with an old 10 French francs coin. The main raison is that I’m very nostalgic about French francs era but also because they have a very beautiful words written on the edge, which makes them very interesting.

 

I choose the word “égalité”, which means equality. In my opinion it is a little bit ironic since money is about everything except equality, don’t you think ?…It is like this funeral home advertisement we had here in Montreal, few years ago, begging us to be careful and stay well during holidays … Do you feel the irony here?? But in the case of 10 French Francs it is a French national motto. The whole inscription is: Liberté, Fraternité, Égalité.

 

My main subject standing on my 10 Francs coin is my tiny red pencil (once again this is a part of another growing collection of tiny pencils... #hoarderlife). It is a few millimeters smaller than the coin diameter (2,5cm).

 

And since we all know by now that money, doesn't grow on trees (raise your hand if your parents were saying that exact phrase, it exists even in Polish !!!), I have to run to my office!! Another video meeting and then I will start my day of money making at home!

 

P.S I think that the phrase "money doesn't grow on trees" should be written on the edge of coins worldwide, as a motto for all kids to learn !!! Who is with me on that one ?

 

Have an amazing Monday my friends !!

 

Thank you so much for all your lovely comments / favs/ general support / happy thoughts!! Stay safe and healthy!! And see you soon on Flickr !!

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Ruurlo (NL) 04-05-2013

Arriva "Spurt"

30868 Winterswijk - Zutphen

  

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Togakushi mountains except for the southern part taken from a roadside near the Torii gate of Okusha. Three photos were merged to get this image.

Togakushi-yama (戸隠山), Kuzuryuu-yama (九頭龍山) and Takatsuma-yama (高妻山) from left to right are seen across the sanctuary forest of Togakushi Okusha.

It is rare to see such a blue sky in this area in winter.

 

The dragon usually symbolises the river in Japan and other Asian countries that depend on rice cultivation.

Legend has it that Kuzuryuu or Nine-headed Dragon used to be a fierce god but was penanced by a Buddhist/Shintou priest to become a god of fertility and agriculture. The legend implies a process of flood control and irrigation. Nine heads are an analogy of tributaries of a river.

Except for the problem in its foot, the bird seemed to be ok.

 

I hope the ID is correct.

 

Photo taken at Bakkatjörn lake, Seltjarnarnes, Reykjavik

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Hi everyone hope your all keeping well Ive missed you all so much and its feels like forever since Ive been here sorry for not being around was very unwell for a while and started having problems with my eye sight again and Just as I was getting better my mum got Ill and had to go back into Hospital again But Im pleased to say we are both fine now Ive missed flick so much and will try my best to catch up But I think its gonna be a very hard task so please forgive me If I havent visited your stream lately I will be sure to pay you regular visits from now Onwards wishing you all a wonderful week ahead xxx

     

Just got back after some weeks in Norway. Didnt get much time for photography this time either, except the ones i took from the garden. We had loads of these birds around the house

A male Red-shafted Northern Flicker in the backyard on a dead branch of the Garry oak tree. I’m hearing and seeing seeing these birds almost daily in the Fall/Winter season.

 

The Northern Flicker is a common bird in many areas of the Pacific Northwest with two subspecies: the Red-shafted Flicker (C. a. cafer) of western North America and the Yellow-shafted Flicker (C. a. auratus) of the east and far north. Their ranges are roughly divided by the Rocky Mountains except in the northern boreal forest, where the yellow-shafted range extends west across most of Alaska. (Source Ebird.org)

 

Photography: Nikon Z50, Nikkor 200-500, @500mm, f5.6

Except this was taken in our sunny south facing garden. We are waiting for a gardener to remove them as they are spreading and our efforts to remove them have failed.

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Apologies for not being around I became ill again and havent been able to do very much at all hope everyone is well and you all have a good weekend xxx

Im so behind will try and catch up over the next few days energy levels are very low so please bare with me x

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Monsanto (P) 18-09-2017

  

A capela de São Miguel perto do castelo dos Cavaleiros Templários em Monsanto.

 

De kapel van Sint Michael nabij het kasteel van de Tempeliers te Monsanto.

 

The chapel of Saint Michael near the castle of the Knights Templar in Monsanto.

 

Die Kapelle des Heiligen Michael in der Nähe der Burg der Tempelritter bei Monsanto.

 

La chapelle Saint Michel près du château des Templiers à Monsanto.

 

La capilla de San Miguel cerca del castillo de los Caballeros Templarios en Monsanto.

 

La cappella di San Michele vicino al castello dei Cavalieri Templari a Monsanto.

  

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The lesser whitethroat (Curruca curruca) is a common and widespread typical warbler which breeds in temperate Europe, except the southwest, and in the western and central Palearctic. This small passerine bird is strongly migratory, wintering in Africa just south of the Sahara, Arabia and India.

Unlike many typical warblers, the sexes are almost identical. This is a small species with a grey back, whitish underparts, a grey head with a darker "bandit mask" through the eyes and a white throat. It is slightly smaller than the whitethroat, and lacks the chestnut wings and uniform head-face color of that species. The lesser whitethroat's song is a fast and rattling sequence of tet or che calls, quite different from the whitethroat's scolding song.

 

Like most "warblers", it is insectivorous, but will also take berries and other soft fruit. This is a bird of fairly open country and cultivation, with large bushes for nesting and some trees. The nest is built in low shrub or brambles, and 3 to 7 eggs are laid.

(Wikipedia)

Photo noir et blanc sauf la mangeoire d'oiseaux verte - Black and white photo except the green bird feeder

Like many of us I expect, except for the victims of the flooding in the UK .. My heart goes out to them all - especially for those shielding in the ongoing pandemic. I hope and pray for all those affected by the flooding and I hope the waters will recede quickly.

I am behind because of a problem that has something to do with my PC/Camera/ Card reader/ Sd card... We still have no idea. I uploaded/downloaded whichever - my camera card via my usual method but instead of just uploading the photos on the SD card from my Sony camera it picked up over a thousand photos from my main hard drive and copied those plus the taken photos to my PC and it wasn't apparent where. It took ages to find they had attached to a 2005 folder. Totally bewildering. Of course Jonathan said I must have done something different which did not go down well with me .I had done nothing different and have left date downloaded with no folder name as a default setting in Bridge for almost two years now. I formatted the card took a couple of photos put it in the reader - still said uploading 1229 photos. Tried a new spare card- same thing. Spare reader same thing - I have spares for almost everything btw lol...After two days of this last night we got as far as the camera appearing to show 1/6 photos when I had only taken one photo.. On uploading the other five files appeared just as file extensions and don't appear to stop the camera taking photos ok. Unfortunately both Jonathan and I feel sort of 'brain tired ' it was a very draining experience. Maybe my son could have sorted it in a trice but as he is still working I hesitated to ask and something tells me it was camera orientated..

I realise this is nowhere near as big a problem as some are experiencing but a conundrum I have never encountered before..

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