"Better Process. Better Government."

Loaned a TAMRON SP Adaptall 17mm f3.5 lens by a fellow Camera Club member . I used a NIKON FG that my Wife was given and never uses now so I have 'Taken it over' The Lens has built-in Filters and is 'Rectalinear' . FILM was KODAK T400CN outdated donated by a Camera Club member and I thought it was 'Fresher' than it was -- so 400 ASA gave some 'Thin' negs so on the rest of the cut film I will rate it at 200 ASA . I home-Processed in C41 . I have few more to upload. This is the New Wall Art on the 'Spread Eagle' pub here in Brentwood

1998 outdated KB200 rated 100ASA cut from bulk, processed in my home-made FX-4 Formula 1+1 and time cut to 8.5 mins Canon EF zoom 28-70mm f3.5-4.5 Mk II

Most Lego water towers on this site are a bit, outdated, blocky, too big or small, examples; this, this, or this . And that’s not to criticize the models, it’s just an observation with the easiest explanation being because those were made in the mid to late 2000’s, before new curved pieces came out. For my model I used Bram’s Sphere Generator to create the spherical top portion, one thing I learned is water towers aren’t completely spherical, so after importing to stud.io I had to cut parts of sphere and splice the rest together. The stem should be have a 7 wide diameter but 6 wide was satisfactory. Ngl, the base was the biggest challenge since I wanted to incorporate the door/ hatch at the base. This model should be theoretically possible to build irl, some glue probably will be needed. Just like the Pizza Hut this will be incorporated into the Misty Creek Subdivision eventually, digitally first.

nikon f2,panatomic x outdated 1952,exhausted may & baker promicrol developer 1960s.

Autumn 2015; new building works glimpsed from Queen's Lane

Konica FC-1

Konica Hexanon AR 50mm f/1.4

Outdated Kodak Color Plus 200

Boots scan + LR adjustments

Have you ever thought what an unusual or maybe outdated name this is? Well that wouldn't be surprising as the name for this butterfly first appeared in print in English in 1699, and has barely changed since. James Petiver called it the Lesser or common Tortoise-shell Butterfly, to distinguish it from the Greater (ie Large) Tortoise-shell. But the name dates back to a time before plastics had been invented, when everyday products such as combs and hair clips really did used to be made from carved and polished shells of hapless tortoises. The name of Tortoiseshell cats have the same origin, because of their marbled pattern of blacks, browns and orange, like polished tortoise shell. I think the underside of the butterfly looks more like the tortoise product but maybe Petiver thought the upperwing did?

Its scientific name Aglais urticae is perhaps more appropriate. Aglais (coined in 1816 by a chap called Dalman. It was Nymphalis before that and there is a move to shift it back there) simply means beautiful, and I cannot argue with that. Urticae was given by Linnaeus in 1758, who correctly identified Nettle (Urtica dioica) as its larval foodplant.

50 / 365

Just posting a pic of my computer work station that I do all my editing for my photos on! Yes, I am severely outdated, out classed and out everything but it still does the job for me. Maybe I am a bit afraid of change. LOL. I do have a Bamboo I use on a chance of being really creative but the mouse and my hand works well enough!

Lovelock, Nevada, October 2015.

LOMO Compact test. Made with LCA and outdated Kodak Gold-200

The label on photo is incorrect taken off Nassau, Bahamas July 1983

Characteristics

SS France was the French Line flagship from 1961 to 1974, combining regular five days/nights transatlantic crossings with occasional winter cruises, as well as two world circumnavigations. During her last years, to save fuel costs, crossings took six days/nights.[citation needed]

As the SS Norway she was the flagship of the Norwegian Cruise Line from 1980 to approximately 2001.

Some, like ship historian John Maxtone-Graham, believe that France was purposely built to serve as both a liner and a cruise ship, stating: "Once again, the company had cruise conversion in mind... for cruises, all baffle doors segregating staircases from taboo decks were opened to permit free circulation throughout the vessel."[1] However, others, such as ship historian William Miller, have asserted that France was the "last purposely designed year-round transatlantic supership."[2]

History[edit]

Concept and construction[edit]

The SS France was constructed to replace the line's other ageing ships like the SS Ile de France and SS Liberté, which by the 1950s were outdated. Without these vessels, however, the French Line had no ability to compete against their rivals, most notably the Cunard Line, which also had plans for constructing a new modern liner. It was rumoured that this ship would be a 75,000-ton replacement for their ships RMS Queen Mary and RMS Queen Elizabeth. (This ship would eventually be the 68,000-ton Queen Elizabeth 2.) Further, the United States Lines had put into service in 1952 the SS United States, which had broken all speed records on her maiden voyage, with an average speed of 35.59 knots (65.91 km/h; 40.96 mph).

At first, the idea of two 35,000-ton running mates was considered to replace Ile de France and Liberté. However, Charles de Gaulle (the future President of France) opined that it would be better for French national pride, then flagging due to the then ongoing Algerian War of Independence, to construct one grand ocean liner, in the tradition of the SS Normandie as an ocean-going showcase for France. The idea of such a publicly funded liner caused some controversy, leading to raucous debates in the French parliament. The dealing lasted three and a half years, and though the letter commissioning the construction was finally signed by the Chairman of the Compagnie Générale Transatlantique, Jean Marie, on 25 July 1956, debate about the form, cost and construction schedule for the France lasted a further year.[3]

Beyond the luxuries, the French Line had to also face the realities that transatlantic passenger trade was, at that time, forecast to decline due to increased air travel. Also, costs to operate ships were increasing, mostly due to prices of crude oil.[citation needed] Thus, the new ship would be larger than the Ile, but smaller and cheaper to operate than the Normandie. She would also only be a two-class liner, which would, like the recently built SS Rotterdam, be able to be converted from a segregated, class restricted crossing mode to a unified, classless cruising mode, thereby allowing the ship to be more versatile in its operations. Despite these requirements, she was still to be the longest ship ever built, as well as one of the fastest, meaning not only an advanced propulsion system, but also a hull design which would withstand the rigours of the North Atlantic at high speed. Hull G19 was built by Chantiers de l'Atlantique shipyard, in Saint-Nazaire, France, her keel being laid down on 7 September 1957. She was built in a non-conventional manner: rather than constructing a skeleton which was then covered in steel hull plating, large parts of the ship were prefabricated in other cities (such as Orléans, Le Havre and Lyon). The hull was fully welded, leading to weight savings, and had two sets of stabilisers fitted.[4]

She was blessed by the Bishop of Nantes, Monseigneur Villepelet, and launched on 11 May 1960, at 4:15 pm, by Madame Yvonne de Gaulle, wife of the President, and was then named France, in honour both of the country, and of the two previous CGT ships to bear the name. By 4:22 pm the France was afloat and under command of tugs.[5] President De Gaulle was also in attendance at the launch, and gave a patriotic speech, announcing that France had been given a new Normandie, they were able to compete now with Cunard's Queens, and the Blue Riband was within their reach. In reality, however, the 35 knots (65 km/h; 40 mph) speed of United States would prove impossible to beat.

After the launch, the propellers were installed (the entire process taking over three weeks), the distinctive funnels affixed to the upper decks, the superstructure completed, life boats placed in their davits, and the interiors fitted out. The France then undertook her sea trials on 19 November 1961, and averaged an unexpected 35.21 knots (65.21 km/h; 40.52 mph). With the French Line satisfied, the ship was handed over, and undertook a trial cruise to the Canary Islands with a full complement of passengers and crew. During this short trip she met, at sea, the Liberté which was on her way to the shipbreakers.[6]

Service history as SS France[edit]

The France's maiden voyage to New York took place on 3 February 1962, with many of France's film stars and aristocracy aboard.

On 14 December 1962, the France carried the Mona Lisa from Le Havre to New York, where the painting was to embark on an American tour.

Poster advertising the SS France's 1965 Christmas and New Year's cruise to the West African coast.

She sailed the North Atlantic run between Le Havre and New York for thirteen years. However, by the beginning of the 1970s jet travel was by far more popular than ship travel, and the cost of fuel was ever increasing. The France, which had always relied on subsidies from the French government, was forced to take advantage of these subsidies more and more.

Using the ship's versatile design to its full potential, the CGT began to send the France on more cruises during the winter, which was off-season for the Atlantic trade. One design flaw, however, was revealed when the ship reached warmer waters: her two swimming pools, one each for first and tourist class, were both indoors; the first class pool deep within the ship's hull, and the tourist class pool on an upper deck, but covered with an immovable glass dome. The latter, perhaps, was the more aggravating in hot weather. She also had limited outdoor deck space, with much of what was available protected behind thick glass wind-screens; useful on the North Atlantic, but frustrating when blocking cooling breezes in the tropics.

Nonetheless, the France's cruises were popular, and her first world cruise took place in 1972. Too large to traverse the Panama and Suez Canals, she was forced to sail around Cape Horn and the Cape of Good Hope. That same year, with the destruction of the Seawise University (former RMS Queen Elizabeth) by fire in Hong Kong, the France became the largest in-service passenger ship in the world.

Still, as the opening years of the decade progressed, the cruise market expanded, seeing the construction of smaller, purpose-built cruise ships which could also fit through the Panama Canal. Worse, in 1973 the Oil Crisis hit, and the price of oil went from US$3 to $12 per barrel. When the French government, at the end of the Trente Glorieuses, realized that keeping the France running would necessitate an additional ten million dollars a year, it opted instead to subsidize the then in-development Concorde. Without this government money, the French Line could not operate, and with a press release issued in 1974 it was announced that the France would be withdrawn from service on 25 October that year.

At that, the crew decided to take matters into their own hands: an eastbound crossing on 6 September, her 202nd crossing, was delayed several hours while the crew met to decide whether to strike then and there, in New York, or six days later outside Le Havre; Le Havre won, and the ship was commandeered by a group of French trade unionists who anchored the France in the entrance to the port, thereby blocking all incoming and outgoing traffic. The 1200 passengers aboard had to be ferried to shore on tenders, while approximately 800 of the crew remained aboard.

The strikers demanded that the ship be allowed to continue to serve, along with a 35% wage increase for themselves. However, their mission failed, and the night of the takeover proved to be the ship's last day of service for the CGT. It took over a month for the stand-off to end, and by 7 December 1974, the ship was moored at a distant quay in Le Havre, known colloquially as quai de l'oubli - the pier of the forgotten.[6][7]

By that time the France had completed 377 crossings and 93 cruises (including 2 world cruises), carried a total of 588,024 passengers on trans-Atlantic crossings, and 113,862 passengers on cruises, and had sailed a total of 1,860,000 nautical miles.[8]

First decommissioning[edit]

The mothballing of the France was met with dismay by much of the French population, resulting in a song by Michel Sardou, titled Le France.

The ship sat in the same spot for approximately four years, with the interiors, including all furniture, still completely intact. There were no plans to scrap the ship, or to sell it. However, in 1977 Saudi Arabian millionaire Akram Ojjeh expressed an interest in purchasing the vessel for use as a floating museum for antique French furniture and artworks, as well as a casino and hotel off the coast of the south-east United States. Though he purchased the ship for $24 million, this proposal was never realised, and others were rumoured to have floated, including bids from the Soviet Union to use her as a hotel ship in the Black Sea, and a proposal from China to turn her into a floating industrial trade fair.[6]

In the end, the ship was sold in 1979 to Knut Kloster, the owner of Norwegian Caribbean Line for $18 million for conversion into the world's largest cruise ship. Just before the France was renamed Norway one last marriage was performed aboard the ship at the quay in Le Havre. The wedding was performed by Rev. Agnar Holme, the Norwegian Seaman's chaplain. Greg Tighe, Director of Research and Corporate Development for NCL, was married to Lorraine Anne Evering (Tighe) in the France's chapel. Witnesses included the ship's Captain, and several members of NCL's management team. This marked the last marriage to be performed aboard the SS France, which had hosted hundreds of weddings over her transatlantic career.

By August of that year the Norway was moved to the Lloyd shipyards in Bremerhaven, Germany, where she would undergo renovations to the cost of $80 million.[9]

Service history as SS Norway[edit]

The SS Norway at Velsen, the Netherlands

The SS Norway was registered in Oslo, given the call sign LITA (literally meaning "small"), and was re-christened on 14 April 1980. She was the first (and only) purpose-built transatlantic ocean liner that was remodeled to be employed exclusively in luxury cruise service. Her hull form, bow design, and accommodation layout had been designed specifically for the rigors of crossing the North Atlantic, year-round. In her remodeling for cruise service, she was given a more generous accommodation, as well as larger and more numerous public spaces for the cruise-type recreations. Mechanically, the four screw propulsion plant was reduced to two screws. And in a bid for economy, she was given a complete set of bow/stern thrusters to give her the flexibility she needed to bring her into harbour; and, to dock, without resort to the expensive pilot and tug (boat) operations that were standard procedure in the heyday of the trans-Atlantic express liners. When her re-fit was completed; and on her maiden call to Oslo, Senior Steward Wesley Samuels of Jamaica, in the presence of King Olav V, hoisted the United Nations flag as a sign of the ship's international crew.

She began her maiden voyage to Miami that same year, amidst speculation about her future in the cruise industry. The France had been built as an ocean liner: for speed; long, narrow, with a deep draft, as well as an array of cabin shapes and sizes designed in a compact manner more for purpose travel than languid cruising. But the Norway proved popular, and made the notion of the ship being a destination in itself credible. Her size, passenger capacity, and amenities revolutionized the cruise industry and started a building frenzy as competitors began to order larger ships.

As cruise competition attempted to take some of the Norway's brisk business, the Norway herself was upgraded several times in order to maintain her position as the "grande dame" of the Caribbean. In September and October 1990, there was the addition of two decks atop her superstructure, adding 135 new suites and luxury cabins. While many ship aficionados believe the new decks spoiled her original clean, classic lines, the new private veranda cabins on the added decks were instrumental in keeping the Norway financially afloat during the later years of her operation, as these became a common feature throughout the cruise industry. She received additional refits in 1993 and 1996 in order to comply with the new SOLAS (Safety of Life At Sea) regulations.[10]

Competition eventually overtook the Norway, and she even started taking a back seat to other ships in NCL's lineup itself. No longer the "Ship amongst Ships", her owners severely cut back on her maintenance and upkeep. She experienced several mechanical breakdowns, fires, incidents of illegal waste dumping, and safety violations for which she was detained at port pending repairs. Despite the cutbacks, the ship remained extremely popular among cruise enthusiasts, some of whom questioned the owner's actions in light of the continuing successful operation of the Queen Elizabeth 2, which had become a well-maintained rival operating 5-star luxury cruises still for Cunard. In spite of this, the cutbacks continued and problems mounted even as the ship continued to sail with full occupancy. A turbo-charger fire erupted on the Norway as she entered Barcelona in 1999, which pulled her out of service for three weeks.[10] During one of the following cruises to Norway she broke down in Bergen with leaks to one of the propeller seals delaying sailing until repaired.

SS Norway in Flåm Norway 1999

Slated for retirement, the Norway sailed out of Manhattan's west side piers for the last time on 9 September 2001, on yet another transatlantic crossing to Greenock, Scotland, and then on to her home port of Le Havre, France. Her passengers would learn of the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington two days later, while in mid-ocean. However, as the cruise industry reeled from the aftermath of the terrorist attacks, her owners decided to place her back into service - operating bargain-basement cruises from Miami, after a brief cosmetic refit that failed to address her mounting mechanical and infrastructure problems.

On 25 May 2003, after docking in Miami at 5:00 a.m., the Norway was seriously damaged by a boiler explosion[11] at 6:37 a.m. that killed eight crew members, and injured seventeen, as superheated steam flooded the boiler room, and blasted into crew quarters above through ruptured decking. None of the passengers were injured. The National Transportation Safety Board determined that "the probable cause of the boiler rupture on the Norway was the deficient boiler operation, maintenance, and inspection practices".[11] On 27 June 2003, NCL/Star decided to relocate the Norway, and she departed Miami under tow, although at first NCL/Star refused to announce her destination. However, she headed towards Europe and eventually arrived in Bremerhaven on 23 September 2003. NCL announced that constructing a new boiler was not possible; boiler parts, however, were available to repair her. In Bremerhaven she was used as accommodation for NCL crew training to take their places on board the line's new Pride of America.

Former itineraries as the SS Norway[edit]

NCL originally planned for the Norway to sail empty from Germany to Miami, but a pre-inaugural cruise was added, with only a select number of passengers allowed to sail. Starting from Oslo, Norway, stopping at Southampton, England, and ending in New York. A 6-day cruise to Bermuda was planned but cancelled at the last minute in favor of fixing some problems. She set sail on her first inaugural cruise from Miami, Florida, on 1 June 1980, a 7-day cruise with only two stops, one in Little San Salvador known as Great Stirrup Cay then followed by a stop in St. Thomas, USVI. The other days of the cruise were sea days as the Norway was the destination itself. This remained her main itinerary from 1980 to 1982 until NCL announced Nassau, Bahamas was added. By 1985 St. Maarten, Netherlands Antilles was added. In 1987 her new itinerary was introduced a 7-day cruise from Miami stopping at St. Maarten, St. John, USVI; St. Thomas and Great Stirrup Cay. Her Western Caribbean cruises later introduced were 7-days stopping at Cozumel, Mexico; Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands; Roatan and NCL's private island Great Stirup Cay. Between regular cruising in the Caribbean and dry dock periods, she sailed many cruises to Western Mediterranean, Western Europe coast, Northern Europe, the British Isles and the Norwegian Fjords.[12][13]

Her official farewell cruise was a 17-day Transatlantic cruise from Miami stopping at New York; Halifax, Nova Scotia; St John's, Newfoundland and Labrador; Greenock, Scotland; Le Havre, France and ending in Southampton. But a decision was made to keep the Norway sailing bargain-based Caribbean cruises out of Miami. This continued until her demise in May 2003.[12]

Second decommissioning[edit]

SS Norway anchored in Bremerhaven, Germany, February 2004

"The Norway[citation needed] will never sail again," it was announced on 23 March 2004, by NCL Chief Executive Colin Veitch. The ship's ownership was transferred to NCL's parent company, Star Cruises.

Due to large amounts of asbestos aboard the ship (mostly in machine and bulkhead areas), the Norway was not allowed to leave Germany for any scrap yards due to the Basel Convention. However, after assuring the German authorities that the Norway would go to Asia for repairs and further operation in Australia, she was allowed to leave port under tow. It was reported that the art from her two dining rooms, children's playroom, stairtower, and library were removed and placed in storage, to possibly be utilized on board a revitalized SS United States, or another ship in the NCL fleet.[14] However, later photos of the Norway at the scrapyards of Alang, India, would prove this statement to be untrue. The Norway left Bremerhaven under tow on 23 May 2005, and reached Port Klang, Malaysia on 10 August 2005.

In fact, the ship was sold to an American naval demolition dealer for scrap value in December 2005. After eventually reselling the ship to a scrap yard, the ship was to be towed to India for demolition. However, in light of protests from Greenpeace, potentially lengthy legal battles due to environmental concerns over the ship's breakup, and amidst charges of fraudulent declarations made by the company to obtain permission to leave Bremerhaven, her owners cancelled the sale contract, refunded the purchase price, and left the ship where she was.[15]

SS Blue Lady[edit]

The SS Norway was sold in April 2006 to Bridgend Shipping Limited of Monrovia, Liberia, and renamed SS Blue Lady in preparation for scrapping. One month later she was again sold, to Haryana Ship Demolition Pvt. Ltd., and was subsequently left anchored in waters off the Malaysian coast after the government of Bangladesh refused the Blue Lady entry into their waters due to the onboard asbestos. Three weeks later, the ship began its journey towards Indian waters, though it was announced that she had left Malaysian waters for the United Arab Emirates for repairs, and to take on new crew and supplies.[16][17]

Upon learning of the ship's destination, Gopal Krishna, an environmentalist and an anti-asbestos activist, filed an application before the Supreme Court of India to ensure that the ship, reportedly containing asbestos, complied with the Court's 14 October 2003 order which sought prior decontamination of ships in the country of export before they could be allowed entry into Indian waters. On 17 May 2006, Kalraj Mishra expressed his concern to the Indian Parliament over possible hazards the Blue Lady presented, and requested that the government put a halt to the ship's entry. However, as the Indian Supreme Court had lifted any ban on the ship's entry, the Blue Lady was anchored 100 km off the Indian coast in mid-July, coming from Fujairah, UAE.[18][19]

This also cleared the way for her scrapping at Alang, in Gujarat, pending an inspection of the on-board asbestos by experts from the Gujarat Pollution Control Board (GPCB).[20] After GPCB chairman, K.Z. Bhanujan, said the Board had constituted an experts' committee for inspection, the Blue Lady was docked in Pipavav, Kutch District. On 2 August 2006, after a five-day inspection, the experts declared the ship safe for beaching and dismantling in Alang.[21] However, this prompted a fury of controversy over the legality of such an act, including a press release from the NGO Platform on Shipbreaking that critiqued the technical report, alleging that the Technical Committee was under undue pressure to allow the ship to be beached, and had failed to follow the Basel Convention and the Supreme Court of India's order that ships must be decontaminated of hazardous substances such as PCBs and asbestos, and, in any case, must be fully inventoried and formally notified prior to arrival in the importing country.[22][23] No such notification was made by either Malaysia (last country of departure) nor Germany (country where the ship became waste).

The NGO Platform on Shipbreaking also announced that it was prepared to launch a global campaign against Star Cruises and their subsidiary Norwegian Cruise Lines for corporate negligence in this case.[24]

SS Blue Lady sits hard aground at Alang, India, awaiting scrapping.

Photos from Alang revealed that the Blue Lady was still partially afloat off the coast; her bow on dry beach at low tide, and the ship fully afloat at high tide. The photos also showed that neither NCL nor Star Cruises had removed any of the ship's onboard furniture or artworks (including the murals in the Windward Dining Room and Children's Playroom, and the Steinway piano in Le Bistro), as had previously been reported.

Fans of the France became concerned about the future of the art pieces, both due to the ship lying at anchor in a very humid environment without power for air conditioning, and due to lack of concern for preservation on the part of the scrappers.[25][26] Still, it was stated that as of early September 2006, the ship's owner had signed contracts with various buyers, including auctioneers and a French museum, to sell the artworks. Other fittings were to be sold by the ton.[8]

Gopal Krishna again moved an application seeking compliance with the Basel Convention, and three days later the Indian Supreme Court decided that the scrapping was to be postponed, stipulating that the Technical Committee, which earlier approved the scrapping, were to write a new report to be submitted before the Court's final decision.[27] That decision was reached on 11 September 2007 (the 33rd anniversary of the SS France's last day on the Atlantic), when the court ruled that the Blue Lady was safe to scrap, a decision that was received negatively by ship aficionados and environmentalists alike.[28]

By 4 December of the same year, it was confirmed that the tip of the Blue Lady's bow had been cut; a ceremonial move done to most ships that end up in Alang just prior to the full-scale breaking of a ship.[29] It was confirmed on 20 January that the Blue Lady had commenced scrapping.[29] Scrapping began on the forward part of the sun deck. The suites added during the 1990 refit were gone by March, briefly returning the ship to her pre-1990 profile.

By 12 July 2008 the bow and the stern of the ship had been removed, with little of the ship's famous profile still recognizable.[30] By September 2008, most of what remained above the waterline had been cut away, and the ship's destruction was essentially completed by late 2008.

The bow exhibited in Paris, after having been sold by auction

In 2009 the tip of the bow of the France / Norway was returned to the country of her birth as one of a catalogue of auction pieces removed from the ship before scrapping commenced. The auction was held on 8 and 9 February.[31][32] It is now on public display at Paris Yacht Marina, Port de Grenelle, Paris 15e.

In January 2010 one of the two sets of neon letters which sat atop the superstructure of the France before her conversion was restored and put on display. The letters, which spell "France", are to be displayed at the Musée national de la Marine in Paris. They will then be returned to Le Havre and presented to the Musée Malraux, facing the front of the harbor.[33]

Yet another LEGO MARVEL minifigure made using GIMP.

This old 767 was built in 1988 so just about 20 years old... and it felt 20 years old... Old styled overhead bins, those outdated seat back telephones I've never ever seen anyone use... old style seats, no IFE, the old style projection screens for movies... even looking out over the wing it looked very worn and used.. I can't wait for the 787s to arrive.... although I doubt I'll choose to fly this carrier again when there are other options like Westjet who ironically seem more like full service airlines now.

Service aboard was scare.. No one told me but we had to pay for everything aboard. meals were $5, $6 to $12 (Subway sandwiches). Pillows, Blankets & peanuts were $2 a piece. Water was free. Flight time 5.1/2 hours. You'd think they'd at least spare us the cost of the peanuts.... My wallet was in the overhead bin and I was by the window... I wasn't going to get up while they are serving to get money... I gave in during the second round before landing though so I'd have something in my stomach. Ten years ago this would have been a lower grade in flight service than Canada 3000's, a deep discount carrier. Flight attendants spent a lot of time apologizing.... most people on the flight were Chinese speaking so hopefully they didn't really sense the "I'll do nothing for you" attitude the airline seems to have adopted..

*Airplanes 101* (See Airplanes 101 Set)

Name: Boeing 767-200, 767-200F

Manufacturer: Boeing (USA) .

Main Role: large capacity medium-very long range mainline jetliner

Basic design: Two engined double ailed wide body mainline jetliner.

Capacity: Roughly 180-255 passengers

Range: 5800km -12200km

First delivery date: 1982

Still in production: No

Easily confused for: the Airbus A300, A310, 777 & other models of the 767

Main identifying points: The tail cone and tail are probably the 767's best identify-er.. the cone is very conical and the tail's baseline sweeps down to meet it whereas most Airbus wide bodies have a relatively horizontal baseline in their tails. Also the 767 has sharper and more defined edges on the tail and cockpit windows than the Airbus rivals. Some aftermarket 767 winglets (like those on the latest 737s) are available but so far are rare sights. The 767-200 is like most shortened or shorter versions of a model very stubby in appearance. This aircraft was tailored to the North American market in a manner the A300/A310 was tailored to the European market so you tend to see US Airlines flying these en mass while the Airbus alternatives are slightly more popular in Europe.

Examples of Main Operators: Continental, American, United, US Airways, Air Canada, and many more. The -200 is less popular than the larger -300 model these days as many airlines are starting to retire them from service.

For more pics of 767 aircraft see the Boeing 767 group here at Flickr.

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To make this composite, I blended myself with a piece of newspaper. My original plan was to make a composite with flying pieces of newspaper around me, but that plan failed for a few reasons so I tried this. I blended in Photoshop using Hard Mix and was decently pleased with the results.

This photo is meant to show our world shapes us and how we can often be labeled by things out of our control. It fits into my concentration stylistically with the surreal edit, desaturated and high clarity style.

Tests with my 'gift' AF NIKKOR 70-210mm f4-5.6 zoom on different NIKON bodies for close-up and distant shots . Very poor outdated FUJI SUPERIA 200 rated 100 ASA so colours not all 'Good'

Thank you to Fraulein Simoneaux for leading a fun and informative discussion on women in 1929 and how to incorporate our knowledge of the period into our rp. Here's a copy of the discussion for those of you who couldn't make it. My apologies for not cleaning up the typos! ~ Zoe

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Zoe Foodiboo: For those of you just coming in, this is Fraulein Teruumi Simoneaux.

Zoe Foodiboo: Alf!

Zoe Foodiboo: oops

Karlin Lutrova: what an OUT rage

Zoe Foodiboo: Anyway, she's our newest librarian/archivist. Please welcome her.

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): guten abend

Karlin Lutrova: /me giggle soflty " no matter, I make my own coffee at home "

Adele Kling: Welcome!

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): /me claps

Alf Korhonen: Guten Tag Alle!

Adele Kling: Hallo, Rosemary

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): /me claps

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): Guten tag Alf

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): Danke! I'm very excited!

Jani (Janire Coba): guten tag *smiles

Lori Miles (Lorelai Winslet): Very nice to meet you, Frl. Simoneaux

Zoe Foodiboo: We had a wonderful discussion in the library last weekend and we were so excited about it, we thought we’d expand it to include all of you.

webspelunker Ghostraven: Hello Alf!

Zoe Foodiboo: Hallo Rose!

Zoe Foodiboo: Hallo Alf!

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): Hallo Alf, Nice to see you

Karlin Lutrova: /me notices the film directoer and trys to look her best

Zoe Foodiboo: Anyway, I'll be quiet and let Frl Teruumi get the ball rolling.

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): RoseMary! Hello dear

Zoe Foodiboo: Teruumi?

Alf Korhonen: Crowded here!

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Yes, indeed. Crowded :))

Zoe Foodiboo: whispers: Does everyone have a place to sit?

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): /me clears her throat and begins composing a thought "Danke Zoe"

Alf Korhonen: May I join your table, Karlin?

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): There's one seat next to me.

Zoe Foodiboo: Someone can havve my chair...I can rez my own.

Karlin Lutrova: would be a pleasure

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): there are seats available

Alf Korhonen: Danke

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Oh no, two seats.

Zoe Foodiboo: oh okay

Karlin Lutrova: gerne Mein Herr

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): As Fraulein Zoe mentioned we had a lovely chat about women last week

Alf Korhonen: I like women too!

Zoe Foodiboo: /me giggles, "I bet you do..."

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): /me chuckles

Adele Kling: haha

Karlin Lutrova: /me coughs a giggle

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): I noticed that many people not even involved with Berlin or SL in general had a very one sided view of what women were like during the 20s

Zoe Foodiboo: whispers: Hallo Fraulein, have a seat

Greta Fuchsin (GretaFuchsin Resident): /me whispers Hello Whispy

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): I think we all can agree that most likely the flapper is a reaction to WWI. and the outdated society model

Karlin Lutrova: /me nods

whispy (whispy Darkstone): hello my dear

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): /me nods

whispy (whispy Darkstone): /me looks round smiling at the people around her

Adele Kling: Yes

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): And women cut their hair, started smoking, the corset was dumped. Women started to gain a voice in the society

Jani (Janire Coba): /me nods

Zoe Foodiboo: /me smiles and smokes

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): and they had jobs, so they had 'economic power', no?

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): Exactly

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): indeed

Karlin Lutrova: well I knew I was smokin' but had no idea it was public knowledge

Karlin Lutrova: my late husband thought so anyway ........

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): and then I thought we roleplay women in 1929. When we look at our RL selves we can notice a change. We are influenced by all kinds of different global and private events and happenings and it changes us as people

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): But we in SL are stuck in a way, especially here in Berlin because we replay the events of 1929 but none of us have lived during that time so we can only trust our imagination

Adele Kling: and history

Zoe Foodiboo: imagination but also rooted in our research...

Jani (Janire Coba): true

Zoe Foodiboo: yes, Adele

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): yes.

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): yes, of course

Karlin Lutrova: /me nods

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): well I guess reading about the time gives us a better idea to know what to imagine...

Adele Kling: and Jo, lol

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): Jo of course!

Zoe Foodiboo: Reading....and looking at photos

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): hahaha Addie

Greta Fuchsin (GretaFuchsin Resident): And OUR interpretation of how people felt.

Jani (Janire Coba): yes

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): and also movies

Zoe Foodiboo: Yes, how can we forget Jo. Our high priestess of the 20s

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): /me nods

whispy (whispy Darkstone): i agree i think fact fiction film all help understand and enhance rp

Karlin Lutrova: yes, and stories from relatives

Zoe Foodiboo: oh yes, good point Karlin

Karlin Lutrova: that were there I mean

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): unfortunately I do not have relatives that old… :(

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): And on that note I thought it would be great for us to meet and discuss how can we enhance our roleplay

Karlin Lutrova: yeah, gives me a sense of some reality to it

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): /me nods

Jani (Janire Coba): yes, that'd be great for me since i'm new to Berlín

Karlin Lutrova: ( oh Mutti and Vati and Ottoa are all gone )

Zoe Foodiboo: Great for me, too. I often forget myself and chatter OOC stuff at inappropriate times.

Karlin Lutrova: me also

Mab Ashdene: Are there more women in Berlin than men?

Zoe Foodiboo: Yes, still.

Karlin Lutrova: rp Berlin right?

Mab Ashdene: That makes it hard.

Zoe Foodiboo: But more men seem to stay.

Mab Ashdene: Yes

webspelunker Ghostraven: Maybe because of that little misunderstanding...

webspelunker Ghostraven: The Great War.

whispy (whispy Darkstone): from my experience there are always more female avs than male

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): Have you seen Boardwalk, the series? I think that show is well in terms of research regarding our time

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): For example, I did some reading here and there and I found information that by 1928 there was a new kind of flapper evolved. She danced, smoked, drove cars but she was a lot tamer from the first flappers

Karlin Lutrova: yes, Second Life™ is a women's shopping paradise

Zoe Foodiboo: Boardwalk Empire? Yes, I love it as a resource. Well, and it's entertaining.

Mab Ashdene: There are no men playing the roles of fathers or husbands.

Adele Kling: Thats interesting.

Karlin Lutrova: simply put

Mab Ashdene: Or only a few.

Adele Kling: Its early 20s, BE

webspelunker Ghostraven: Maybe because they're all dead?

Zoe Foodiboo: Tamer in what ways, Teruummi?

Jani (Janire Coba): oh, i got addicted to 20s since i watched Boardwalk Empire *laughs

whispy (whispy Darkstone): I think a sharing of resources for rp ers is always a good idea

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): I think Web is saying a good point.

Karlin Lutrova: Mutti said thee were very few men in those years anyway too

Mab Ashdene: Without the sense of having a man around or a mother around who cares what we do it is easy to go wild an play a flapper.

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): They didn't participate in petting parties, wore a lot less makeup

webspelunker Ghostraven: TY

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): Some didn't even smoke or drink alcohol

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Recently I'd found out that learning about 1910s is very important to understand 1920s Berlin.

Adele Kling: Petting parties! Haven't been invited to one in years!

webspelunker Ghostraven: They sound like nuns!

Zoe Foodiboo: How so, Herr Gustav?

Greta Fuchsin (GretaFuchsin Resident): They were becoming more respectable and "professional"

Karlin Lutrova: good to point out Gustav

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): I guess 1920s Berlin or German, is quite similar to 1960s.

Zoe Foodiboo: Now that's an interesting analogy...

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Lots of men dead or gone. And hunger gave women to position to work in society.

whispy (whispy Darkstone): and politics

webspelunker Ghostraven: That's a good point that others have made too...

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Work in a society as a matter of course.

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Amazingly watching the movie, "Berlin Symphony"

Mab Ashdene: That is interesting.

webspelunker Ghostraven: Otto Friedrich wrote of that.

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): I think there is a lack of older women also, and we have to consider that not all the females were flappers. That was actually a minority, as I understand

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): We all notice how many women are working in office.

Zoe Foodiboo: Good point, Tequila.

Mab Ashdene: When the pimp left the brothel, the women took over the running of the place.

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): And commuting. That's veyr interesting.

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): Very good point indeed

Greta Fuchsin (GretaFuchsin Resident): Yes that is a great movie

Adele Kling: Yes, Flappers were young

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): YEs, Tequila.

Greta Fuchsin (GretaFuchsin Resident): Has anyone watched the 13 hour "berlin Alexanderplatz"

Zoe Foodiboo: But there's a whole spectrum of women not represented in our Berlin.

Karlin Lutrova: very true , flappers where thought of as dirty by some of the echelon of high society

Greta Fuchsin (GretaFuchsin Resident): Plaenty or rp material there

Adele Kling: I love Berlin Alexanderplatz, until the end.

webspelunker Ghostraven: Who, Zoe?

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): And not all young females were flappers...it was only the daring, bold, young females

Karlin Lutrova: /me nods

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): Yes!

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): sure, i've never viewed my character as a flapper

Greta Fuchsin (GretaFuchsin Resident): Who Zoe?

Zoe Foodiboo: Older women...yes, as Tequila said, women who weren't as bold as to become a Flapper

Adele Kling: Nor mine.

Greta Fuchsin (GretaFuchsin Resident): /me looks puzzled and curious

Jani (Janire Coba): i'd appreciate if someone knew about some films of Berlin in the 20s ((sorry for interrupting))

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): or middleaged women

Alf Korhonen: Der Letzte Mann I think

Adele Kling: About Berlin in the 20s, or shot in the 20s?

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): apart from frau Yardley, there aren't any middleaged women in Berlin as far as i can remember

Jani (Janire Coba): both would be useful to me

Mab Ashdene: There was Babette Darkfold.

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): Yes, that's true

Zoe Foodiboo: No. We had a grandma type when Bubbe was here but she's long gone.

Zoe Foodiboo: Well, and Vera's mom. But she rarely makes an appearance as well.

Greta Fuchsin (GretaFuchsin Resident): Look up early Fritz Lang movies Janire to start with

Angello Valerian: the great gastby, chanel and stravinsky, therese...

Adele Kling: I can get you a list of films, Jani.

whispy (whispy Darkstone): i came to berlin as a young modern woman, but now have bought this alt along, as a much much older woman, out of interest to how folk react, plus as a very political, perhaps even not as sweet old lady as she looks

Jani (Janire Coba): thanks greta :)

Zoe Foodiboo: Aside from it being difficult to find older women skins and shapes, I'm not sure why I continue to be a young woman as a character in Berlin.

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): I think another thing we don't have is a clear social structure

Zoe Foodiboo: Hi Claire

ClaireDeAir: hiya

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): That's very interesting, Whispy.

Angello Valerian: Guten Abend

Karlin Lutrova: oh! i just saw that 13 hour film was a television series

ClaireDeAir: How are you?

Adele Kling: Hallo Claire

ClaireDeAir: hiya

webspelunker Ghostraven: Hello Claire!

webspelunker Ghostraven: Doing fine, how're you?

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): the "social structure" such as it is, is very much based on where we live

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): Oh, I think there is also a huge woman, I think she is named Lolle...?

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): and it is not clear

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): she's not huge, just curvy

ClaireDeAir: wow I have never seen this many people in here before hehehe

whispy (whispy Darkstone): could the list of films go in a group notice as i would be interested please

Angello Valerian: great idea, would be a great help

Adele Kling: Ok, I can do that whispy. Sometime this week : )

Zoe Foodiboo: I love Lolle's look.

Zoe Foodiboo: and her apartment is lovely. very realistic.

Jani (Janire Coba): oh yes, thanks for the films

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): yes it is

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): how old is Lolle supposed to be?

whispy (whispy Darkstone): i have looked for good older skins and shapes for ages now i have managed to get a look i want slightly older than i ideally wanted, but i am looking forward to developing this look

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): i've always thought around late 20s early 30s

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): but i don't know

Zoe Foodiboo: I'm not sure. She's a mother so I would imagine not that old.

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): OK

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Finding a good "aged" skin is bit tough in SL....

Karlin Lutrova: oh, one good shop for older type skins is MB Skins

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): it is

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): easier for men actually

Mab Ashdene: Maybe we should all have children and age.

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Oh really? I must checked it. Thanks Karlin :)

Karlin Lutrova: femme older skins I should add

Karlin Lutrova: yes, well made age skins seem few and far between

Zoe Foodiboo: I have a question. In what ways do you behave different here in Berlin as opposed to other places in SL, as a nod to historical accuracy. Aside from your appearance, I mean?

Karlin Lutrova: most looks like they ahve mud plastered faice makes lol

ClaireDeAir: lol

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): Well, modesty, language...

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): i play more roles here

Adele Kling: Role-playing here is very relaxed. I try to use jargon (American) from the time.

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): i even call them cartoon characters

Jani (Janire Coba): well, i used to rp in versailles, and language of course was different, and protocole was super important there

Karlin Lutrova: well, that was the acccepted values

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): I come here roleplay so as I said when we spoke last week, I try to approach it as a writer

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): the way we intercat as well...it it seems to be more respectful

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): and i never use long paragraphs, mainly because i don't have the patience for it

Jani (Janire Coba): here i act like.. women arr feeling more free

Zoe Foodiboo: Yes, I agree, protocol and respect here is highly valued.

Adele Kling: Respect, proper use of titles.

Mab Ashdene: I only ever roleplay here.

Karlin Lutrova: para rpl is difficult for me also

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): and those who are NOT respectful, are doing it as part of RP

Zoe Foodiboo: I forget myself with that, sometimes, Adele.

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): Me too

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): (thinking of a dark alt)

Adele Kling: For me too, Karlin. I'm not that creative.

Karlin Lutrova: rude r p can be dicely though

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): also I do not think we rp like goreans…they tend to make super long literate statements in each sentence

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): also it slows down the interaction a bit, doing long paragraphs

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): but i don't mind others doing it

whispy (whispy Darkstone): i research all my roles then use my imagination... i mainly use fantasy based on mythology but always with lots of research often to be disapointed that what the sim declares does not happen ie as in much rp,,, mostly occ chat but here i have seen much potential

Jani (Janire Coba): sometimes i just stay quiet and listen cause i'm super respectful with the rp and if i notice my english can be a bit poor, just.. listen and smile hahaha

Karlin Lutrova: yes para rp I found is hard to keep a temp o

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): true

Karlin Lutrova: so to speak

Zoe Foodiboo: Oh, don't worry about your English, Jani :)

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): i think that is very common for newcomers, Jani, just checking how it works in the sim, listening and learning

Zoe Foodiboo: It's an international city after all

Jani (Janire Coba): oh yes, till i finish my english degree i must stay quiet, read and learn

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): i did that as well when i was new

Jani (Janire Coba): hahah

Zoe Foodiboo: True, Rose.

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): I agree Rosemary.

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): I gave this example to Herr Web yesterday. Imagine five people sitting at a table

Jani (Janire Coba): aham

Karlin Lutrova: to be , it is just talking like from a script, not reciting some novel

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): /me nods

Karlin Lutrova: to be **

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): Two are fully IC, two are fully OOC and one is a newbie

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): It confuses people

Karlin Lutrova: yes, very much

Adele Kling: Yes

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): I felt very confused at first as to who is who

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): indeed

Jani (Janire Coba): haha yes

Karlin Lutrova: I have been in rp sims where it was VERY strict

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): haha

Karlin Lutrova: OOC an y ou got in trouble

Jani (Janire Coba): unless they use this "(())" double.. thingies ^^

Karlin Lutrova: here, find it confusing

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): that is why i think the double paragraphs ((like this)) is good to use when OOC

Zoe Foodiboo: I agree, Rose.

Angello Valerian: indeed

Karlin Lutrova: never srue if someone is OOC or not at times

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): agreed

Zoe Foodiboo: I must remember to use them.

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): even if i think we all forget it now and then

Jani (Janire Coba): paragraphs! thanks for the word haha

Karlin Lutrova: true**

Adele Kling: Yes, Berlin is lite-RP, so far.

Karlin Lutrova: /me nods

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): i don't think i would like it if it was that incredibly strict

Zoe Foodiboo: Me neither.

Adele Kling: Which is fine.

whispy (whispy Darkstone): no one can apologise for their english not being good especially if it is a second or third language, some of us who are english academics are also dyslexic and out english appears awfully :D

Karlin Lutrova: I am nver good with vague rules lol

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): me neither

Zoe Foodiboo: But too loose isn't fun either....I guess we need to find that pleasant balance...

Jani (Janire Coba): haha whispy

Karlin Lutrova: I just try to deal with it =)

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): Yet rp is an area of opportunity

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): I agree Zoe

Karlin Lutrova: me too!

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): agree Zoe

Karlin Lutrova: may I mention?

webspelunker Ghostraven: ((For the record I'm a Marxist in RP and RL.))

Karlin Lutrova: IM ing in the middle of RP is also confusing

Karlin Lutrova: like " is this IM roleplay ? or OOC"

Greta Fuchsin (GretaFuchsin Resident): When I came here, I was scared to death about the roleplaying.I wasn't sure what to expect. Listening to some of the residents showed me how to be "me" but still "in character". I try to keep in character but be me also.

Zoe Foodiboo: Oh, I always consider IM to be OOC.

Karlin Lutrova: its not possible in Real Life™ at any rate

Karlin Lutrova: I am find that to be a good idea Zoe

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): I let people know when IIM them IC

Jani (Janire Coba): me too , greta

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): but usually I keep IMs for OOC business

Karlin Lutrova: I unintentionally have offended some because

Karlin Lutrova: I have learned to " keep rp firends in the rp sims"

Adele Kling: I try not to IM at all while in RP. If there one thing I hate is when I enter a room and everyone is quiet, sending IMs, instead of being engaged in RP chat.

Karlin Lutrova: other wise it get's too involved

Karlin Lutrova: if that makes any sense to anyone

Mab Ashdene: I like involved.

Adele Kling: It does.

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): me too Mab

Zoe Foodiboo: oh....I'm terribly guilty of that, adele. :P

Karlin Lutrova: what happens here , stays here

Jani (Janire Coba): hahaha

Karlin Lutrova: RP wise

Adele Kling: haha

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): but i think i'm guilty of it too

Karlin Lutrova: lol, I sound like mafioso

Zoe Foodiboo: But I will try to be better from now on!

Jani (Janire Coba): i use ims to ask about any rule, or doubt, or business

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): especially since i have a husband who is very fond of IM :P

Karlin Lutrova: agrees with Janire

Adele Kling: haha, Rosemary

Zoe Foodiboo: /me wiggles her eyebrows at Rose

Karlin Lutrova: well, that is ,,, a different scenario

Greta Fuchsin (GretaFuchsin Resident): Let's face it. Some things will not translate from the 1920's to the 21st century. We, not matter how much research we do, will not be perfect 1920's people. But we can also respect the time we are in here and act as close to the times as we can.

Zoe Foodiboo: absolutely, Greta

Jani (Janire Coba): agrees

Karlin Lutrova: to be candid, the rules do indeed say to keep , uh,,, private things in IM

Karlin Lutrova: its in the tenant rules

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): I think in order to have a better rp, we all must have our roles clear…otherwise the local chat is simply not interesting

Zoe Foodiboo: I think we all do....

Karlin Lutrova: tell your husband that lol

Zoe Foodiboo: Er, I mean they all do. Not me. I'm never naughty.

Zoe Foodiboo: lol

Jani (Janire Coba): hahaha karlin

Adele Kling: /me coughs

Karlin Lutrova: /me coughs too

Mab Ashdene: Tell us about your youth and innocence, Zoe.

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): Of course, but say you walk into the Keller and it's full of people but dead silent mostly. That's because everyone is IMing

Karlin Lutrova: lol just keeping it real friends

Jani (Janire Coba): me either, the naughtiest thing i've done here is to dance with gustav at eldorado

Jani (Janire Coba): hahaha

Zoe Foodiboo: /me giggles at Mab

Jani (Janire Coba): i can't be more pure and virginal than i am already here lol

Adele Kling: I hate that Teruumi

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Oh, Jani LOL

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): me too

Karlin Lutrova: the naugtiest for me I think is muttting a milllion fire places here

Karlin Lutrova: lol

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): yes, it's like a film by Ingemar Bergman, silence everywhere

Jani (Janire Coba): hahaha karlin

Karlin Lutrova: is that bad?

Karlin Lutrova: muting,

Mab Ashdene: I will not get into my naughtiness.

Jani (Janire Coba): if i'm quiet is cause i am distracted and afk or i'm ready to learn some rp lol

Karlin Lutrova: I learned a trick

Adele Kling: ((For the newcomers, we have a Facebook page. I'm thinking thats a good place to post the film list, as that way oithers can contribute.))

Karlin Lutrova: I hide in a phone booth

Pola Solo: Hi!

Karlin Lutrova: if I dont want interaction

Zoe Foodiboo: POla!

Mab Ashdene: Darling!

Adele Kling: Hello Pola

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): Hallo Pola

Zoe Foodiboo: YOu made it!

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): Pola! Hallo!

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): Hi Pola

Zoe Foodiboo: Isn't this lovely? Full house!

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Hello Pola :)

Jani (Janire Coba): may i ask something?

Karlin Lutrova: gruess dich Pola =)

whispy (whispy Darkstone): ty i will look for the fb page

Adele Kling: : )

Adele Kling: your welcome

Jani (Janire Coba): should we have in our profile pics the a little description of our character?

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): I do

Zoe Foodiboo: I think that's up to you....

Zoe Foodiboo: Everyone has a different take on it

Karlin Lutrova: I thought of putting that in picks

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): Me too. I alos posted a Bio in FB

Karlin Lutrova: its not for everyone in Second Life™ ofcourse

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): and I keep a NC where I write up more stuff for myself

Jani (Janire Coba): i mean, so others know why we act in some way, i ont know

Zoe Foodiboo: Some prefer not to because then they can really "meet" people and get to know them the way they would in RL.

Karlin Lutrova: and putting in pics is good advert for Berlin 1929 =)

Adele Kling: I have some info. I like to learn about people by interacting with them in RP, but I give a little background.

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): some of us have created backgrounds for our characters, and i know that it helps, it's easier to understand why our characters do what they do

Karlin Lutrova: /me nods

whispy (whispy Darkstone): i like to put my chars in picks, but i like to float around listening and developing first see where i can slot in

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): I keep a short blurb in my picks and then when I rp needs it I share more

Mab Ashdene: I don't really think of myself as a character.

Zoe Foodiboo: Also, there are oral history interviews you can read on Flickr. To learn more about the histories of some of the old timers.

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): good point RoseMary

Karlin Lutrova: my character is obesessed with her dead husband lol

Zoe Foodiboo: Mab, Pola, Tequila, Rose...theirs are all there.

Adele Kling: Correct, but do we have to give a full bio in our profile? For me, it kind of ruins the RP fun.

Karlin Lutrova: maybe too much

Jani (Janire Coba): i agree adele

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): Agreed

Karlin Lutrova: me too, to a point

Jani (Janire Coba): i meant like... where we're from, or how i ended in berlin, idk

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): yes it's fun to find out each others background stories the "normal" way

Mab Ashdene: Pola darling, am I a character or am I myself?

Karlin Lutrova: its a good idea, so another may have material on what to ask you about

Zoe Foodiboo: Is Pola drunk?

Jani (Janire Coba): loool

Zoe Foodiboo: Why is she sleeping?

Mab Ashdene: Usually.

Jani (Janire Coba): hahaha pola

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): To me it, helps my character reacting to events if I understand where it comes from

Karlin Lutrova: thats why I meantion Otto sometimes

Zoe Foodiboo: see - rp at its finest! :P

Pola Solo: You are a version of yourself.

Mab Ashdene: Interesting.

Karlin Lutrova: to give ppl a idea from which to ask about or rp

ClaireDeAir: Even actors sometimes do a version or themselves.

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): yes Claire

Karlin Lutrova: and my ultra concertvie doting mother in Danzig

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): /me nods

Karlin Lutrova: well yes, "method acting"

Mab Ashdene: I mention grandfather and the mountains sometimes.

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): In a way we are acting

Jani (Janire Coba): hahahaha

Pola Solo: /me giggles.

Jani (Janire Coba): yes mab

Karlin Lutrova: like Dustin Hoffman said his was techique

Jani (Janire Coba): you made me laugh a lot yesterday, you funny woman

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): Exceot that the script is being written while we do that

Karlin Lutrova: in his early years of cineama I

Karlin Lutrova: should say

whispy (whispy Darkstone): improvisation is how i think of rp,,,, something i love

Karlin Lutrova: has to be improv!

Karlin Lutrova: I totally agree

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): yes!

ClaireDeAir: I love to do improv

Karlin Lutrova: it's not like we are professional actorls

ClaireDeAir: it is a lot of fun.

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): hahah Karlin

Adele Kling: thats for sure

Karlin Lutrova: let alone that face its hit an miss when any of us are here

whispy (whispy Darkstone): which is where the place and lose rules set the scene along with brief character background

Karlin Lutrova: =)

Mab Ashdene: Pola and I practice our routines at home before showing up at the Eldo.

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): since i use some alts showing different personalities, i often curse the fact that i'm on as the wrong character, since i may for instance in a discussion know the perfect thing for one of my alts to say, but the problem is that i am not online as the right person

Mab Ashdene: We are no good at improv.

Karlin Lutrova: its not a complaint, more a observation, but its hard to know what to plan in rp

Zoe Foodiboo: Sure you are! Your interview was hysterical.

Karlin Lutrova: even from one week to the next

Karlin Lutrova: if that makes sense to anyone ?

Jani (Janire Coba): alts? for rp?

Pola Solo: We improvise reluctantly, and grumble a lot.

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): yes it does

Jani (Janire Coba): i'd go insane

Jani (Janire Coba): hahaha

Jani (Janire Coba): this is my one and only avi

ClaireDeAir: I am an musician and I do some acting, myself.

Karlin Lutrova: just saying, thats why improv is really the only choice

Karlin Lutrova: not a bad thing mind you =)

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): I only use this avi also

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): me too

Karlin Lutrova: same here I should say this set up and outfits

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): and it proves to be tiring sometimes

Karlin Lutrova: thoug, I do like to go bout sometimes

Zoe Foodiboo: I use my grandpa on occasion. I'm not good at being an old man tho.

Adele Kling: haha

Karlin Lutrova: just today someone asked me about this rp sim

Karlin Lutrova: I was n a sneaker sshop

Jani (Janire Coba): if you all use alts i wont find a husband, in case is any of you, mean women

Karlin Lutrova: anyway, she might come

Jani (Janire Coba): hahaha

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): But I mean, even if having cear roles in the city, sometimes rp simply does not happen…Like Morgie has all those stores, and Addie have the photo studio. How many of you had visited her studios to rp a portrait?

Karlin Lutrova: what if I brought Otto back from the dea d?

Karlin Lutrova: in an lat Oo

Karlin Lutrova: alt lol

Adele Kling: Yeah, how many?

Adele Kling: /me laughs

Zoe Foodiboo: Well, I did ask Adele and we talked, but we're rarely on at the same time.

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): i haven't, but i will :)

Karlin Lutrova: that would be quite a gossip topic at least in the Keller

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): Very good point

Jani (Janire Coba): the thing is... Morganic is too quiet, and i don't dare to speak to him :$

Zoe Foodiboo: there goes the sun

Karlin Lutrova: not too far fetched really

Jani (Janire Coba): he scares me

Adele Kling: Morganic is often afk, hard to RP with him.

Karlin Lutrova: tea leave reading, and all that was the rage

Zoe Foodiboo: He scares you? aw. He's the sweetest man....

Zoe Foodiboo: and so funny

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): but i think Elvina stole some developer fluid from you, Adele

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): I have seen a lot of people taking on roles such as workers in the places, and rp simply does not happenɽ

Adele Kling: But you can hang out at his shops, they are fun.

Jani (Janire Coba): haha i dont know him, maybe that's why

Karlin Lutrova: naaah, its that card board cheef that creeps me out

Adele Kling: Og gawd, hope she doesn't drink it.

Karlin Lutrova: he keeps staring at me !

Jani (Janire Coba): hahahahahha

Karlin Lutrova: the pervert , don't yu know

Zoe Foodiboo: Morgy's such a dear.

Adele Kling: He is

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): Morganic's really not that much into RP, as far as i know, he's into building and organizing

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): hahaha Karlin...Hope Honoria doesn't hear you saying that

Adele Kling: Yes, Rosemary.

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): he's like everybody's brother :)

Karlin Lutrova: he has a heart

Karlin Lutrova: I can tell even behind the screen =)

Zoe Foodiboo: True, he doesn't rp much. But he's very knowledgeable about the period. He's a good resource and fun to talk to.

Jani (Janire Coba): hey, jo

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): yes agree

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): yes

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): ah missed it, blasted

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): Guten Abend Frau Jo

Adele Kling: oh yes

Zoe Foodiboo: Hallo Frau Jo

Zoe Foodiboo: Well, we're still talking.

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Hallo Frau Jo

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): /me waves to Frau Jo

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): No, you're just in time to continue

Karlin Lutrova: the comment on the mr cardboard was not a relfection on that adorable man

Zoe Foodiboo: There's a couple of seats.

Mab Ashdene: Just in time for gossip.

Jani (Janire Coba): i said maybe he scares me cause i dont know him

Karlin Lutrova: uhoh, that Frau Yardley is here

Angello Valerian: Guten Abend Fray Jo

Karlin Lutrova: everone look busy !

webspelunker Ghostraven: Hello Frau Jo!

Alf Korhonen: I still looking at the girls! :)

Jani (Janire Coba): but he stays there, quiet, with his moustache, and scares me :$

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): Anyone would be able to make a little synthesis for Frau Jo? I do not think we have met any agreements, have we?

Karlin Lutrova: lol greetings Jo !

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): Morganic is friendly and has a lot of knowledge of the time, i've learnt lots from him

Zoe Foodiboo: hahaha, Alf

Alf Korhonen: They are so cute!

Karlin Lutrova: synthesis?

Zoe Foodiboo: Well, no, but many interesting perspectives were shared.

Karlin Lutrova: what do you mean Tequila =)

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): she means a quick sum up

Zoe Foodiboo: I think we agreed we want more old people. and fat people. er, curvy.

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): forget about it

Karlin Lutrova: oh , I'm sorry , dont mind me

Karlin Lutrova: I think that was about language

Pola Solo: Hallo Frau Jo.

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): and more rp

Karlin Lutrova: sorry :(

Jani (Janire Coba): yep

Mab Ashdene: Shall I go fat and old?

Zoe Foodiboo: oh yes, brackets

Karlin Lutrova: lol

Jani (Janire Coba): i wont go fat and old

Alf Korhonen: Maybe I might call my father to visit Berlin again!

Second Life: Cuthbert Helendale is online.

Jani (Janire Coba): sorry, but NO

Zoe Foodiboo: Let's all get fat and old!

Jani (Janire Coba): hahaha

Jani (Janire Coba): no!

Adele Kling: and less IM, heh

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): oh, and that not everyone has to be a flapper

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): we will soon

webspelunker Ghostraven: speak for yourselves!

Karlin Lutrova: what if I do undead like the Nosforatu film in berlin at that time

Jani (Janire Coba): in rl indeed rosemary haha

Karlin Lutrova: lol jk

Karlin Lutrova: wasn't the Jack the Ripper story orginated from Berlin?

whispy (whispy Darkstone): if you all go fat and old i will have to go back to the younger av i arrived with lol

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): in sl too but it takes some time :D

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): and we spoke about developing backgrounds for our characters

Jani (Janire Coba): i miss some policemen bothering people

Jani (Janire Coba): to be honest

Jani (Janire Coba): lol

Karlin Lutrova: Jac des Messer?

Karlin Lutrova: or some thing

Karlin Lutrova: I recalll that 3 penny oper tune

Jani (Janire Coba): like: your skirt is short! you havent paid your rent! or... your car is there in the middle or nowhere

Jani (Janire Coba): i dont know

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): I think we need a criminal organization, lol

Jani (Janire Coba): just bothering

Jani (Janire Coba): lol

Jani (Janire Coba): oh yessss

Jani (Janire Coba): criminals in berlin

webspelunker Ghostraven: It would help!

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): Vera started one last autumn, but then it all ended

Karlin Lutrova: may I ask?

Zoe Foodiboo: we had one, didn't we?

Zoe Foodiboo: Mo's gone

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): why did it end?

Karlin Lutrova: where tere even usch a thing a women as polizeii?

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): Mo was attacking my door the other day

Zoe Foodiboo: I think cause Vera left.

Karlin Lutrova: in those years?

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): he's back apparentky

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): vera vanished, she does that sometimes

Karlin Lutrova: there **

Zoe Foodiboo: He was? I never see him anymore....

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): and yes there were female members of the kriminal polizei

ClaireDeAir: /camto offf

Karlin Lutrova: I am sorry, but its very difficult to type when every letter appears 2 seconds later sorry for errors

Jani (Janire Coba): were there criminal women?

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): of course

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): of course

Adele Kling: Always!

Karlin Lutrova: I wonder , if my rp can go in taht direction Jo

ClaireDeAir: /camto off

Karlin Lutrova: I need to research that

Zoe Foodiboo: I don't see why not.

whispy (whispy Darkstone): i arrived as a young preformer,,, but realised that perhaps there are many of them with the flappers,,,, so bought in granny to explore less filled rp groups etc

Angello Valerian: there is a kind of army ... At least two military who can protect us haha

Mab Ashdene: I broke into the cafe earlier.

Karlin Lutrova: awesome , then I can scold men for rude behavior

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): Criminal women is a must have…they help a lot as they are less suspicious of things

Karlin Lutrova: lo l jk

Jani (Janire Coba): haha yes

Telephone: whispers: Thank you! Click the telephone to place your call

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): there always have been and always will be ciminal women

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): yes

Jani (Janire Coba): we need criminals, murderers, kidnappers, and policemen

Karlin Lutrova: you mean polizei yes Jo?

Mab Ashdene: But surely not VERY criminal women.

Alf Korhonen: Hei isä! Se Alf poikasi!

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): /me looks at Pola

Karlin Lutrova: or do you mean women that did crime

Jani (Janire Coba): it's just a suggestions, lol ,and idea

Zoe Foodiboo: We have policemen

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): kriminal polizei is a division of the police

webspelunker Ghostraven: Female Party members were considered criminals by some.

Jani (Janire Coba): but zoe are they active rpers?

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): Elvina is quite harmless as a criminal

Zoe Foodiboo: Alf, are you alright?

Alf Korhonen: "Muistatko minut! Miten äiti?"

Karlin Lutrova: interestint, I must research that Jo

Jani (Janire Coba): (idk, just asking since i'm new to here)

Zoe Foodiboo: I think they are, Jani. I ran one over a couple of weeks ago.

Mab Ashdene: Pola, are we criminals?

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): its not much walking on the streets but more doing work at police stations and dealing with prisoners

Alf Korhonen: Sorryv talking to dad in Vienna! Line is bad

Karlin Lutrova: ah, desk work

Pola Solo: We are sort of demimonde, I think

Karlin Lutrova: actually makes sense

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): Yes, the police that checks the political events is different than criminal police, no?

Alf Korhonen: "Onko sinulla aikaa käydä Berliini pian!"

webspelunker Ghostraven: Typically!

Zoe Foodiboo: oh, sim police vs rp police you mean?

ClaireDeAir: How do you become a police officer here?

Jani (Janire Coba): or maybe sudenly.... someone with a gun threating people at der keller

Karlin Lutrova: I really must read more than I am if I expect to be in character at all

Jani (Janire Coba): lol

Mab Ashdene: Is auctioning underage boys criminal?

Jani (Janire Coba): that'd be funny

Alf Korhonen: "On lopetettava nyt, koska se on kallista soittaa!"

webspelunker Ghostraven: I have some knowledge of these matters.

whispy (whispy Darkstone): women political activists from the sufferagettes to communists and anarchist did political actions to get noticed then as now

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): people are invited to join the police

ClaireDeAir: ok

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): So, criminal police could be easily rp'ed without interfering with Dantiz

ClaireDeAir: great

Karlin Lutrova: uh, Berlin was wild and progressive but not THAT much

Alf Korhonen: "Terveys äiti katsottuna Voi pian!"

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): criminal police?

Alf Korhonen: "Hyvästi isä!"

Karlin Lutrova: good pont Tequila

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): problem is that in berlin police has real powers and are sim maanagers

ClaireDeAir: a bod cop

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): so we cant make anyone a cop

ClaireDeAir: bad*

Alf Korhonen: Dam line!

Jani (Janire Coba): oh

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): the second you have a badge people assume you're a manager

Karlin Lutrova: maybe rp polizei could interefere with actually Sim security

Jani (Janire Coba): but we can make anyone a criminal with a gun

Karlin Lutrova: never thought of that

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): yes, we would need to separate the groups

Jani (Janire Coba): attacking your der keller

Alf Korhonen: Back!

Jani (Janire Coba): and scaring women

Jani (Janire Coba): hahaha

Mab Ashdene: I once got locked up for pulling a gun.

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): so who would be considered as a good cop in Berlin?

Mab Ashdene: But I didn't mean to shoot it!

Karlin Lutrova: shame on you !

Zoe Foodiboo: it's fun getting arrested

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): it is!

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): i know we have one or two corrupt cops

Alf Korhonen: Shoot and kill

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): Yes, police forces have divisions as far as I understand…some place investigate protests and political crimes, while the criminal police would be on charge of investigating murderers, no? then there is the drug police…if I am right….

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): but most take their job seriously, if only they could be online more

Karlin Lutrova: so man y directions to do with that idea lol

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): any kind of hapenning is fun to take part in

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): some of our cops even have rl law experience :)

Alf Korhonen: My mother was still ill but my father might come next week to Berlin! Depends on mothers health

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): the major RP event in Berlin is getting closer and closer

webspelunker Ghostraven: Or they could be NSA!

Karlin Lutrova: is it ok to bring up the subject of , the politics that was more and more of what Berlinweould be?

Karlin Lutrova: I know its a deliccate subject but

Karlin Lutrova: I enjoy referranes to actual events

Karlin Lutrova: at the time

Karlin Lutrova: Jo?

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): you can discus nazism all you want, just stay away from being a proper antisemite

Karlin Lutrova: well yes ofcourse not that

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): the second we start tp suspect being all excited about jolly nazism is more than just roleplay, you're at trouble

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): the newspapers help us find things to talk about too

Zoe Foodiboo: whispers: Hallo Ludwig!

Ludwig Caesar (Ludwig2005 Resident): huh.....

Karlin Lutrova: but well, maybe its too complicated to try an incorporate that element

Karlin Lutrova: most of it at the time was in Bavaria anyway

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): And you can always be with or against nazism, no? In RL not every German citizen would be in agreement with it

Jani (Janire Coba): uhm... i wouldnt be comfortable talking about nazism

Jani (Janire Coba): so i'd be quiet again lol

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): then don't

Karlin Lutrova: was that ok to bring up? I just really like to know any guiddelines about that

Karlin Lutrova: me either, not in a supporting way at all

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): we're not making mandatory rules, just discussing possibilities

Zoe Foodiboo: sharing ideas

Jani (Janire Coba): yep

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): i find that it happens that we talk about nazis, but that we often just regard them as silly bavarians

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): berlin was a "red" city and mostly anti nazi, even in 1933 the nazis didnt get half the votes

Karlin Lutrova: my character does not support the Reds either btw

Jani (Janire Coba): oh, then alright

Mab Ashdene: I like men in uniform.

Jani (Janire Coba): i can talk about them as silly bavarians

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): but now and then I do let slip that I agree with the nazis on art and the decadence of society, then again socialists agreed with that as well

Jani (Janire Coba): problem sorted ^^

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): and communists

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): or as bumpkins, the way city folk often view people in the countryside

Karlin Lutrova: I agree with Jo

Angello Valerian: i'd prefer a kind of Berlin mafia, than a lot of politicians around us hahah

Jani (Janire Coba): mafia

Jani (Janire Coba): yes!

Karlin Lutrova: some of their values may ahve made sense

Karlin Lutrova: but thats all really imo

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): i remember there were some maffia RP starting some years ago

whispy (whispy Darkstone): hitler was a very charismatic character good speaker just like mussilini, they woed the public or some were just not comfortable with politics more liked fun others took politics very seriously

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): stupid modern art and architecture

Karlin Lutrova: unfortunately true Whispy

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): but it may have been more based on Italy than Germany

Karlin Lutrova: very persuasive

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): I hope people see the movie M and get excited about creating a Berlin based underworld

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): prostitutes, thieves, beggars

Karlin Lutrova: Hind Site is perfect sit so, ppl didnt know

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): like in that movie, not like al capone

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): I read a book that is called 'the wet fish' and it is very interesting, involving some Russian gold that is leading to several murders, but the book is not translated to English for some weird reason

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): that would give so much dimension to the town

Karlin Lutrova: isi t just tittled " M"?

webspelunker Ghostraven: Those are small potatoes....

Alf Korhonen: I can just say it is a great movie and if you have not seen it! you should!

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): M is really an interesting movie indeed.

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): Yes, M, 1931, one of the best movies ever

Karlin Lutrova: oh,it was a romaticiised crimenal?

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): a classic

webspelunker Ghostraven: Organized crime is about extortion, blackmail, fencing, and the like!

Alf Korhonen: it is with sound as well!

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): there is also a magazine about RL crime at the newspaper kiosk here

Zoe Foodiboo: Maybe it'll play again at the Babylon

Karlin Lutrova: fun

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): and I try to put in as many crime stories into the newspaper as I can, but just don't have enough time to write one every day

Karlin Lutrova: btw, are those magazines here readable as a HUD kindd of thing?

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): No, but I am thinking about making one with turnable pages

Karlin Lutrova: Ive only bought posted art on the city walls and suck

Karlin Lutrova: such

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): you suck walls?

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): oh right

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Oh great!

Karlin Lutrova: lol

Jani (Janire Coba): hhaahahahhaahhhh

Karlin Lutrova: :P

Karlin Lutrova: IT was a TYPO !!

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): haha

Karlin Lutrova: LOL

Jani (Janire Coba): what would Otto say about you sucking walls...

Karlin Lutrova: gosh I am a bit flushed Real Life™

Karlin Lutrova: how funny

Jani (Janire Coba): hahaha

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): hahaha

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): Pola, you have to kidnap Alf and give him a makeover, so, there, I've given you a first criminal underworld plan ;)

Jani (Janire Coba): oh yes, plz

Karlin Lutrova: Oo

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Wooooo

Karlin Lutrova: the mafioso is alive and well!

Alf Korhonen: WHAT

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): we love you alf, but your 2007 skin makes me want to get a metal brush ;)

Karlin Lutrova: well, it was nice knowing you Alf

Mab Ashdene: Pola, you are not the criminal underground.

Jani (Janire Coba): hahahaha

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): hahaha

Zoe Foodiboo: Frau Jo!

Zoe Foodiboo: my goodness.

Jani (Janire Coba): but she's right!

Jani (Janire Coba): just.... too sincere maybe

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): May I participate in that one? I love shopping...The fashion police arrests Alf!

Jani (Janire Coba): but right

Alf Korhonen: Yw Karlin

Jani (Janire Coba): hahaha

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): be nice to Alf!

Karlin Lutrova: actually true, I mention that too with good intention Alf

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): i agree though :P

Karlin Lutrova: the Sound of Silence........

Jani (Janire Coba): haha

Jani (Janire Coba): ok then

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): sorry, couldnt resist

Karlin Lutrova: I meant no offence either :(

Alf Korhonen: It would not be me if I transfer into someone else! (:

Jani (Janire Coba): we all agree on that

Karlin Lutrova: seriously

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): but alf knows, I've been teasing about that for a while ;)

Jani (Janire Coba): Alf, we love you, but you need a makeover

Jani (Janire Coba): next point!

Alf Korhonen: I know and you still refuse to merry me! :)

Karlin Lutrova: oh comn, 2007 is very sexy

Karlin Lutrova: lol

Zoe Foodiboo: Well, don't go getting to movie star-ish.....the women will never leave you alone and you won't want to leave your apartment

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): skin change first!

Alf Korhonen: Like a rattle snake! LOL

Karlin Lutrova: yeah no Fabio skin PLEASE!

Clara Croll (Lephty Lewsey): or a new liver

Jani (Janire Coba): jo, don't marry him till he looks like an updated avi, please

Karlin Lutrova: Fabio would be worse than the present

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): there is a new skin shop in VR, great realistic real people skins

Jani (Janire Coba): i wonder who fabio is lol

Karlin Lutrova: ooooo, a gossip item

Karlin Lutrova: /me takes notes

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): old people, people who dont sleep enough, in short, people like me

Jani (Janire Coba): hahaha

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): What about Valentino alike skin?

Karlin Lutrova: ok, kind of like Arnold then

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): oh my

Jani (Janire Coba): fabio, valentino, what's up with italian skins? hahaha

webspelunker Ghostraven: Great!

Pola Solo: The Italian sex mall has opened, obviously.

webspelunker Ghostraven: Guess what I'm doing?

Zoe Foodiboo: I'm tellin' ya, being handsome in Berlin ain't for sissies. Some of the women are crazy.

Clara Croll (Lephty Lewsey): do they have older people skins?

Zoe Foodiboo: /me twirls her finger near her temple and whistles

Karlin Lutrova: if Alf appears here looking like Swarzennegger I will shoot !

Jani (Janire Coba): hahaha zoe

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): Hahah, agreed Zoe!

Jani (Janire Coba): oh me to

Alf Korhonen: LOL

Mab Ashdene: Zoe, don't be mean to me.

Zoe Foodiboo: lol

Karlin Lutrova: orsome pin head with maxeed out shoulders ..ick

Jani (Janire Coba): if Afl appears like Arnold it'll be a criminal war here in berlin

Jani (Janire Coba): lol

Jani (Janire Coba): and.. if gustav gets an old skin i wont dance with him again

Karlin Lutrova: hmmmm. who is Daddyo

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Much older?????LOL

Zoe Foodiboo: Gustav?

Zoe Foodiboo: Rose's husband?

Clara Croll (Lephty Lewsey): well, I would like a slightly aged skin

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): Fru Jo, do you think it is possible to profile some characters for the May protests? I mean, I have no clue on where my character would fit in that event...

Zoe Foodiboo: ohhh, that Gustav

Karlin Lutrova: maybe I should turn off that when avatars enter thingy

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Yep, me. Much older???LOL

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): profile characters?

Jani (Janire Coba): Gustav is married?

Jani (Janire Coba): him too?

Zoe Foodiboo: I think you're dreamy, Gustav :) I love your look.

Jani (Janire Coba): oh come on

Karlin Lutrova: well, not older than 90 ok?

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): Gustav not Gustov

Zoe Foodiboo: Gustov Chesnokov? Yes, to Rose.

Jani (Janire Coba): then i better change my avi to an old fat one

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Danke, Zoe ;) My love!

Jani (Janire Coba): since i wint get a rp husband

Jani (Janire Coba): hahaha

Zoe Foodiboo: /me winks

Jani (Janire Coba): no

Jani (Janire Coba): this gustav

Zoe Foodiboo: Oh, that Gustav.

Jani (Janire Coba): the one there

Karlin Lutrova: so it's settled, Otto will mysteriusly come back from the dead

Mab Ashdene: Pola, maybe we should get a rp husband.

Zoe Foodiboo: Well, you might wait a long time if you wait for a marriage proposal from him....

Pola Solo: We could, I suppose.

Jani (Janire Coba): and there'll be some criminals with gund at der keller

Karlin Lutrova: ok, not really, I should get seroiusl sorry

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): like having a bit of description about what characters would fit in the May protests. Like a flapper for example….would she be with the reds or with the status quo?

Mab Ashdene: No one would be brave enough.

Zoe Foodiboo: ooooh, there's a man!

Zoe Foodiboo: Hello there Herr

webspelunker Ghostraven: She's welcome with the Reds!

Karlin Lutrova: greetings Mr daddyo

Clara Croll (Lephty Lewsey): he's a tall one

Daddyo (daddyo99649964 Resident): hello

Zoe Foodiboo: Welcome, have a seat.

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): shah Herr Ghostraven…I mean in a real historical way

Guy Cutter (GeorgeW Carver): Berlin had beatnicks in 1929?

Karlin Lutrova: well, if yoru e talking about time periods no

Guy Cutter (GeorgeW Carver): /me chuckles

Karlin Lutrova: but you can be sure the values and ideals of beatniks was there

Karlin Lutrova: Kerouac would hav e lved Berlin imo

Karlin Lutrova: loved *

Jani (Janire Coba): ok...erm...

Jani (Janire Coba): we need men here in berlin

Jani (Janire Coba): HAHAHAHA

Jani (Janire Coba): a lot of men

Karlin Lutrova: /me nods "true

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): /me chuckles

Karlin Lutrova: omg is it raining men ??

Pola Solo: I have a male alt, but I'm useless at it.

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): well lure them here

Jani (Janire Coba): it should be raining men

webspelunker Ghostraven: Karlin's right...

Jani (Janire Coba): naked ones

Jani (Janire Coba): yoohoo

Guy Cutter (GeorgeW Carver): /me rubs his eyes

Jani (Janire Coba): no, i dont want an alt :(

Karlin Lutrova: for shame Jo !

webspelunker Ghostraven: Weimar was the start of the Beat generation!

Mab Ashdene: How can we lure men in?

Karlin Lutrova: lol jk

Zoe Foodiboo: We'll post you at the Teleportplatz, Mab

Karlin Lutrova: silence

Pola Solo: Hahahah!

Karlin Lutrova: now that could actually work

Jani (Janire Coba): how can we bring some men to rp here in berlin.... lemme think....

whispy (whispy Darkstone): not sure my granny would lure them,,,, *chcuckles*

Mab Ashdene: How about a nice cardboard cutout?

Pola Solo: Yes!

whispy (whispy Darkstone): but being ready to rp with folk when they wander the city works well i think

Zoe Foodiboo: Do you have the one from the exhibit?

Karlin Lutrova: why not, cutouts are hot

Mab Ashdene: No

Pola Solo: Mab is a moveable feast.

Zoe Foodiboo: Those were hilarious.

Jani (Janire Coba): i could post on flickr we need a criminal group of men to rp here

Jani (Janire Coba): loool

Karlin Lutrova: ok, not really

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): I've been trying. But well, all of my friends are....well, you know LOL

webspelunker Ghostraven: Appeal to the workers!

webspelunker Ghostraven: They'll come!

Mab Ashdene: They said things, didn't they?

Pola Solo: Yes.

Jani (Janire Coba): hahaha gustav

Jani (Janire Coba): hahaha

Jani (Janire Coba): i just adore you

Zoe Foodiboo: They did. Maybe Sein has them in his inventory.

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): ;)

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): /me winks

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): we should let people know what berlin is all about

Pola Solo: I have a copy of mine. Let me find it.

Pola Solo: /me searches through her purse.

Karlin Lutrova: in his intentory?

Jani (Janire Coba): i agree with jo

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): there are so many options that people dont consider

Zoe Foodiboo: oh, they were so cute.

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): same problem with kids

Mab Ashdene: What did they say? I am curious. I forgot.

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): people have no imagination these days!

Karlin Lutrova: you have men in your inventory?

Karlin Lutrova: lol being silly

Zoe Foodiboo: She's got Pola in her inventory.

Zoe Foodiboo: Just wait, it's adorable.

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): Pocket Pola

Karlin Lutrova: very convenient

Jani (Janire Coba): uhm... i could bring my ex rl bf here to rp lol

Jani (Janire Coba): he's an english funny one

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): I think a little bit of reading is good for imagination….yet what to read…that is the question

Karlin Lutrova: you sure that could invite drama though ?

Zoe Foodiboo: I tried to bring my beau but he's in EQ all the time.

Karlin Lutrova: to be candid

Jani (Janire Coba): me? drama? nah, we super friends

Karlin Lutrova: awesome

Jani (Janire Coba): and he's as obsessed with boardwalk empire as me lol

Mab Ashdene: Don't bring your boyfriend in. That would be ... unwise.

Zoe Foodiboo: Is that it Pola?

Zoe Foodiboo: oh

Pola Solo: I'm not sure

Jani (Janire Coba): no no, EX boyfriend, now just friends lol

Zoe Foodiboo: I wish I'd kept copies for the archives. I assumed Sein did.

Pola Solo: Yes, there it is. I think.

Pola Solo: You need a scarf with that. Lots of scarves.

Karlin Lutrova: wish I could find someone who could rp my shrew ofa mother

Zoe Foodiboo: oooh, yes!

Pola Solo: No, you'd look terrible in that. Buy something else. No, we don't have anything else.

Zoe Foodiboo: hahahahaha

Zoe Foodiboo: that was such a fun exhibit

Pola Solo: Did I tell you we carried your size? Oops.

Karlin Lutrova: though< i really have not filled out that character though

Pola Solo: It was perfect.

Lori Miles (Lorelai Winslet): : )

Jani (Janire Coba): loool

Mab Ashdene: Haha!

Pola Solo: Did I tell you we carried your size? Oops.

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): I have guests at home RL this evening and most go to organize everything, but I will be following this conversation via FB if you post it there

Karlin Lutrova: fun fun

Pola Solo: This is my "mean shopgirl" cutout.

Tequila Mockingbird (Tequila Krovac): Good night

Zoe Foodiboo: Okay, I will if that's okay with everyone.

Jani (Janire Coba): good night tequila

Karlin Lutrova: oh , I actually bought that outfit I think lol

Pola Solo: Good night, Tequila dear.

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): i am going to remodel teleportplatz one day, might be fun ti try something a bit more up there to lure people in

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): Auf wiedersehen!

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Good night Tequila

Karlin Lutrova: bis bald Teqiula

Zoe Foodiboo: It was so cute with Mabs

Second Life: Neil Langrishe (Poohneil Streeter) is online.

Karlin Lutrova: =)

Pola Solo: What are you wearing under that? No, don't tell me; I can see it.

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): Auf Wiedersehen Tequila

Jani (Janire Coba): who can make a good sign to atract ment to rp here

Jani (Janire Coba): lol

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): bye tequila

Karlin Lutrova: good idea Jo !

Jani (Janire Coba): something about criminals, they love that stuff

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Well, I have to go, too. RL things.

Mab Ashdene: I don't have mine.

Jani (Janire Coba): bye, gustav!

Mab Ashdene: Pola, do you have mine?

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Bye guys.

Karlin Lutrova: tasteful yet a bit more aggressive ?

Pola Solo: Good bye, Gustav. See you later.

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): Auf Wiedersehen Herr Rosenheim

Zoe Foodiboo: Bye Gustav! Thanks for coming.

Pola Solo: I don't think I have yours, darling.

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): well some ideas suggestions backgrounds etc, but I don't want to push too much info on new visitors

Alf Korhonen: Bye Gustav

Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): /me tips my hat

Pola Solo: I think it's safe to say that ladies should wear proper underthings. Thank goodness we don't carry those here.

Karlin Lutrova: nacht Mein Herr

Zoe Foodiboo: lol

Pola Solo: Did I tell you we carried your size? Oops.

Lori Miles (Lorelai Winslet): Thank you for organizing this event Frl Foodiboo and Frl Simoneaux.

Pola Solo: Whew! I thought she'd NEVER leave.

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): yes it was very interesting

Jani (Janire Coba): loool

Mab Ashdene: Hahaa!

Karlin Lutrova: actually that Old ...does

Jani (Janire Coba): this Pola is mean!

Pola Solo: I think it's safe to say that ladies should wear proper underthings. Thank goodness we don't carry those here.

Pola Solo: No, you'd look terrible in that. Buy something else. No, we don't have anything else.

Zoe Foodiboo: Oh my pleasure. It was all Frl Teruumi. I just sent out the invitations.

Karlin Lutrova: I forgot it 's name

Pola Solo: No, you'd look terrible in that. Buy something else. No, we don't have anything else.

Pola Solo: I think it's safe to say that ladies should wear proper underthings. Thank goodness we don't carry those here.

Pola Solo: What are you wearing under that? No, don't tell me; I can see it.

Karlin Lutrova: Old Vintage?

Pola Solo: Whew! I thought she'd NEVER leave.

whispy (whispy Darkstone): yes thank you very much,,, this has been inspirational,,, i love rp and history and today has been inspiring

Zoe Foodiboo: What did Mab's say? She had some zingers too.

Mab Ashdene: I really don't remember.

Zoe Foodiboo: We'll do it again I think, won't we Frl Teruumi?

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): I hope it was fun and informative to you despite the fact we kind of traveled further from the topic

Karlin Lutrova: the shop to the right as you walk into the lane of shops from the landing spot

Alf Korhonen: The girls still looking cute even if it is late! :)

Pola Solo: Something about facial hair, wasn't it?

Teruumi Jacqueline Simoneaux (Korina Asamoah): I'm sure we will Frl Zoe

Jani (Janire Coba): Alf... your skin.... remember it

Zoe Foodiboo: and medication?

Jani (Janire Coba): hahahahhaha

Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): we berliners always get distracted

Mab Ashdene: Probably.

Alf Korhonen: ssss don't mention my skin condition

Rosemary Thyme Chesnokova (MsRosemaryThyme Resident): i blame the alcohol

Jani (Janire Coba): oh, plz remember that abput the films, that'll help us a lot

Jani (Janire Coba): Alf, is it a dissease?

Mab Ashde

Holga 120N | reala 100 outdated

AMC Pacer Corgi - Custom Hot-wheels

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This proposed coupe would replace the outdated Hawk. It was designed by Brooks Stevens and built in Italy by Sibona-Bassano. Stevens called this replacement 'Sceptre'.

Note the odd hubcaps.

For several reasons Studebaker had to close down its South Bend, Indiana production plant in December 1963.

Some production was replaced to their production facilities in Hamilton, Ontario (Canada). In March 1966 also this factory had to close its doors.

Imagine what kind of cars Studebaker could had offer us if it hadn't gone bankrupt. Master designers Raymond Loewy and especially Brooks Stevens had various plans and ideas for future Studebaker cars.

With a minimum of financial space Brooks Stevens was able to renew the Lark series on a spectacular way. He worked together with the Italian coach-builder Sibona-Bassano to realize his plans.

4736 cc V8 engine.

Production Studebaker Hawk Series: Autumn 1955-1964.

Production Hawk Gran Turismo: Autumn 1961-1964.

Picture was taken from:

Cars of the Sizzling '60s, a Decade of Great Rides and Good Vibrations, by the Auto Editors of Consumer Guide, Publications International LTD, Lincolnwood, 1997.

Original photographer, place and date unknown.

Book collection Sander Toonen (1998).

Halfweg, July 15, 2024.

© 2024 Sander Toonen Halfweg | All Rights Reserved

Outdated film home processed with expired Nova C41 kit. film rules!

NIKON FG loaded with 2005 outdated 'TUDOR 100' ( actually FUJI) walking around Central Park, CHELMSFORD Essex England using NIKKOR 1005mm f2.5 and AF NIKKOR 70-210mm f4-5.6 . Overcast Wintry Light meant I got only 1/125th @ f5.6 and f4 . AF NIKKOR 70-210mm f4.5.6

Minolta CL + 15mm Super Heliar + outdated Agfa 200asa

In the 1960s Citroën renewed the design and technics of their outdated Type 55 (and U23 series) truck series. Flaminio Bertoni (It., 1903-1964) was asked for the cabin design. He was succeeded by Robert Opron (Fr., 1932-2021).

This N and P Series light trucks would be one of the last creations of Bertoni.

This Belphégor truck range was available as N350 up to N850, depending on the load capacity and fuel types.

The owner told me he had an older Belphégor truck with a broken engine. He bought this PD 600 initially to replace the engine. But he decided to keep this one and sold the other one.

5607 cc L6 Diesel engine.

Performance: 103/108 bhp.

4915 kg.

Max. payload: 2575 kg.

Production Citroën N/P Series Belphégor: 1964-1974.

Original first reg. number: June 30, 1966 (estimated).

New Dutch pseudo-historical reg. number: Aug. 10, 2017 (private import).

Since import at current owner.

Alkmaar, Hazenkoog, April 27, 2025.

© 2025 Sander Toonen Halfweg | All Rights Reserved

YO !! Another GIFT a NIKON F65 body boxed, mint ! I rushed out to test with outdated KODAK GOLD 200 rated 100 ASA -- I will do a VIDEO about it soon --Keep Watching !

Here I used an AF NIKKOR 35-80mm f4-5.6 D lens Here is my VIDEO all about the F65 ---

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca9PiIs1nPg&t=3s

This is what I look like after a few days of setting up and attending the OUTDATED Polaroid art show in Chicago.

I've been told that I look tired here. Which I suppose would make a lot of sense.

Outdated Fujiroid - it's holds up much better then Polaroid ... unfortunately.

There is a bigger version available on my blog and for some reason I am unable to insert a link here. You will have to go to another image to link to it.

Testing a cassette of outdated FUJI NPS 160 sent to me by a member of Pentax User Site -- NO DATE or how it was stored . I rated it 100 ASA and negs were a bit 'Dense' so this film could have been rated at 'Box Speed' . I CUT 15 frames ans show a few taken with my OLYMPUS OM-2n for a change.

On Enlargement I now notice there is a weird 'RETICULATION' effect. F-Zuiko Auto-S 50mm f1.8

YO !! Another GIFT a NIKON F65 body boxed, mint ! I rushed out to test with outdated KODAK GOLD 200 rated 100 ASA -- I will do a VIDEO about it soon --Keep Watching !

Here I used the FLASH, PROGRAM Exposure and an AF NIKKOR 35-80mm f4-5.6 D lens Here is my VIDEO all about the F65 ------

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca9PiIs1nPg&t=3s

For Dummies books!

+++ DISCLAIMER +++

Nothing you see here is real, even though the conversion or the presented background story might be based historical facts. BEWARE!

Some background:

In 1932, the United States Navy contracted the Curtiss-Wright Corporation to produce a modern, two-seat fighter design for use on its growing family of aircraft carriers. Curtiss responded by putting forth their Model 73 - a two-seat monoplane design featuring a single set of parasol wings fitted high atop the fuselage, and the US Navy designated the prototype as XF12C-1.

The Model 73 was powered by a single Wright R-1510-92 Whirlwind 14 series radial piston engine and sported a modern retractable undercarriage. The Curtiss product achieved first flight in 1933 though, by the end of the year, the US Navy had revamped their requirement and categorized the XF12C-1 prototype as the "XS4C-1 scout plane". Once again, this time in early 1934, the US Navy reorganized their needs and labeled the XS4C-1 as the "XSBC-1 dual-role scout-bomber". Curtiss fitted a Wright R-1820 Cyclone series radial piston engine to the design and testing of the prototype ensued.

To ensure something of a legacy, the SBC Helldiver was in fact the last biplane aircraft to be purchased by the United States Navy. The longest Curtiss SBCs to survive were 12 aircraft at NAS Jacksonville, Florida, which were stricken off-charge on 31st October 1944.

General characteristics:

Crew: two; pilot and observer gunner

Length: 28 ft 1⅝ in (8.57 m)

Wingspan: 34 ft 0 in (10.36 m)

Height: 10 ft 5 in (3.17 m)

Wing area: 317 ft² (29.4 m²)

Empty weight: 4,552 lb (2,065 kg)

Loaded weight: 7,080 lb (3,211 kg)

Max. take-off weight: 7,632 lb (3,462 kg)

Powerplant:

1× Wright R-1820-34 radial engine, rated at 850 hp (634 kW)

Performance:

Maximum speed: 234 mph (203 knots, 377 km/h) at 15,200 ft (4,600 m)

Cruise speed: 175 mph (152 knots, 282 km/h)

Range with internal fuel: 405 mi (352 nmi, 652 km)

Service ceiling: 24,000 ft (7,320 m)

Rate of climb: 1,630 ft/min (8.28 m/s)

Armament:

1× 0.30 in (7.62 mm) forward-firing M1919 Browning machine gun

1× 0.30 in (7.62 mm) machine gun firing rearward on a flexible mount in the rear cockpit

1× underfuselage hardpoint for a bomb of up to 1.000 lb (454 kg)

or a 45-U.S.-gallon (170-liter) fuel tank

2× underwing hardpoints for 100 lb (45 kg) bombs or flares

The kit and its assembly:

The Curtiss SBC is a kind of ugly duckling and certainly not an aircraft that left any serious impression in history. Nevertheless, its odd mix of modern and vintage design features makes it an interesting subject, and I wanted to build one for a long time. The extended timeframe for the “Old Kit Group Build” at whatifmodelers.com was a welcome motivation to finally dig out a Heller SBC kit (moulds date back from 1979, Matchbox countered with another SBC only one year later) from the stash and build it.

The kit did not see any whiffy mod, was built basically OOB, but received some detail changes and additions. These include a machine gun dummy in the observer’s station, a scratched bomb displacement swing as well as underwing hardpoints, some superficial cockpit and landing gear opening details, as well as lowered flaps and the wiring between the wings – thankfully, only little work of the latter was necessary on the relatively modern biplane design, even though may of the wing wirings are double, so that the work was still challenging. As per usual, I reverted to heated sprues, glued to the kit before painting. The crew (Hobby Master soft vinyl figures) was only added for the beauty pics – in order to make this possible the long greenhouse canopy was cut into four pieces and the sliding parts left unglued to the fuselage.

Otherwise, the kit itself is an easy build with good detail (raised panel lines, though), just the plastic is a bit thin and wobbly, making a good fit not easy. This was not made easier by the fact that the part with the struts for the upper wings had been squashed and bent through other sprues in the box. Getting them back into shape and place for a proper fit was not easy, but with patience and some trial-and-error I was able to save the situation.

Painting and markings:

AFAIK, the SBCs in US Navy service were initially either left in bare metal (with some colorful pre-war squadron markings and the characteristic yellow wings), and, later, some machines operated in the Pacific TO received the early USN Blue Grey/Light Gull Grey livery, and, alternatively, some were painted all-over light-grey (FS 36440?).

I could not find any proof concerning SBCs being operated on carriers in the Atlantic TO, in fact it seems that the SBC was only carried on board of a single carrier, USS Lexington (CV-2). But I deemed the compact aircraft to be pretty suited for smaller escort ships - similar to the Grumman F4F Wildcat, which soldiered on, too, for a long time despite being a pre-war design.

This idea was the basis for my what-if model, and resulted in a machine painted accordingly in the “Atlantic ASW Scheme” with Dark Gull Grey (FS 36231) on the upper surfaces and off-white undersides, with a high waterline. Rather simple and unspectacular, but it suits the SBC well and is rarely seen on USN model kits, most tend to end up in Pacific TO colors.

For painting I used Humbrol 106 (RAF Ocean Grey) and 147 (FS 36495) – both are darker than the authentic tones, but the latter were used for shading (Humbrol 140 and 34, respectively). Reason behind this is that I deemed esp. pure white to be too bright as basic color, leaving no room for post-shading on panels and details. Effectively, it’s a kind of overall pre-shading procedure.

The cockpit became US Interior Green (Humbrol 226), while the visible interior of the landing gear and the cowling became zinc chromate yellow (Humbrol 81), a nice, colorful detail.

The kit was lightly weathered with black ink, too, and received only minimal markings in the form of “Stars & Bars” and a tactical code – another typical feature of machines operated in the Atlantic. As a little (yet authentic) design twist I applied American roundels with a red border, which were mandatory only for a short period in mid-1943 – for the built, fictional SBC they would fit well, and AFAIK this insignia variant lingered on for some time, so that even in late 1943 these must still have been a frequent sight.

After simulating some soot and oil stains as well as flaked paint on the fuselage and leading edges, the kit was sealed with matt acrylic varnish (Italeri).

Again, a relatively simple but subtle whif version of a rather unpopular and forgotten aircraft – but I must say that the Atlantic scheme suits the anachronistic SBC well. With the other colorful details (green cockpit, yellow engine parts, red roundel edges) I was able to make the simple kit look more interesting than expected.

Prints, phone cases and home decor items available for purchase at these fine places: shawna-rowe.artistwebsites.com/ www.redbubble.com/people/dahlymama

+++ DISCLAIMER +++

Nothing you see here is real, even though the conversion or the presented background story might be based on historical facts. BEWARE!

Some background:

The Sd.Kfz. 124 Wespe (German for "wasp", also known as Leichte Feldhaubitze 18/2 auf Fahrgestell Panzerkampfwagen II (Sf.), "Light field howitzer 18 on Panzer II chassis (self-propelled)"), was a German self-propelled gun developed and used during the Second World War. During the Battle of France in 1940 it became apparent that the intermediate tank of the German forces, the Panzer II, had become unsuitable as a main battle tank and outdated. Though mechanically sound, it was both under-gunned and under-armored, and its small size prevented heavier armament and armor so that its development potential was limited. The chassis, however, proved serviceable for providing mobility to the 10.5 cm field howitzer, and important artillery weapon.

Operationally, the Jagdwespe was best employed in defensive or overwatch roles. They were neither assault vehicles nor tank substitutes, and the open-top compartment meant operations in crowded areas such as urban environments or other close-combat situations weren't a valid tactical option. But despite their weaknesses, they were more effective than the towed antitank guns they replaced, and the 7.5 cm Pak 42 with the extended barrel meant a significant improvement in firepower. The vehicle was small, easy to conceal for an ambush and relatively agile, so that it could quickly change position after a shot, and the Panzer II chassis was mechanically reliable, what made it popular with its crews.

Specifications:

Crew: Four (commander, gunner, loader/radio operator, driver)

Weight: 12.5 tonnes (27,533 lb)

Length: 4.81 m (15 ft 9 in)

6.44 m (21 ft 1 1/2 in) overall

Width: 2.28 m (7 ft 6 in)

Height: 2.21 m (7 ft 3 in)

Suspension: Leaf spring

Fuel capacity: 170 L (45 US gal)

Armor:

5 - 30 mm (.19 - 1.18 in)

Performance:

Maximum road speed: 40 km/h (25 mph)

Operational range: 220 km (137 mi) on roads

100 km (62 mi) cross-country

Power/weight: 12.7 PS/tonne

Engine & transmission:

6-cyl petrol Maybach HL62 TR with 140 PS (138 hp, 103 kW)

Armament:

1× 7.5 cm Panzerabwehrkanone 42/L 70 (7.5 cm Pak 42) with 51 rounds

1× 7.92 mm MG 34 machine gun with 2.000 rounds

The kit and its assembly:

This relatively simple German WWII what-if SPG was spawned from the thought that the light Wespe artillery SPG might also have been used for an anti-tank SPG, with relatively few modifications. The long-barreled 7.5 cm KwK 42/L70 appeared to be a suitable weapon for this kind of vehicle around 1944, so I tried to build a respective model.

The basis became the Italeri 1:72 “Wespe” kit, which is in fact a re-boxed ESCI kit. It goes together well, and you can build upper and lower hull separately for a final “marriage”. To change the Wespe’s look a little I exchanged the solid OOB wheels with those from a Panzer III, left over from a Revell/Mako kit. They are perfect in size, but due a lack of depth of their attachment openings (I only used the outer half of the Panzer III wheels) I glued them onto the hull before painting, normally I finish them separately and mount them in a final assembly step.

For the gun I had to improvise a little, because the open casemate would allow a good look at it. I settled for a straightforward solution in the form of a Zvezda 1:72 PaK 40. The gun was taken OOB, I just removed the wheel attachment points from its chassis and replaced the short gun barrel with a muzzle brake with a aluminum 1:72 L70 barrel for a Panther Ausf. F (with a Schmalturm) from Aber. Both elements were relatively easy to combine, and the gun shield could be taken over, too. Once the gun mount’s position in the Wespe hull was defined I narrowed the front opening a little with styrene wedges, added a deflector at its base, and reduced the height of the side walls for a coherent look. All in all the transplant looks very plausible!

Since the kit provides the option I decided to leave the driver’s hatch open and install the OOB driver figure on a raised seat. For the long barrel I scratched a support that was mounted to the front hull. Looks a bit awkward, though, because it obscures the driver’s field of view – but I could not find a better solution.

The only real trouble I had with the Italeri Wespe were the tracks: they were made from a really strange (and effectively horrible) vinyl material. This material repelled EVERYTHING with a kind of lotus effect – paints of any kind, even superglue! My usual method of mounting such tracks on the main wheels did not work at all, because the track would not hold at all. During these trials I also recognized that the tracks were too long – rather unusual, because 1:72 vinyl tracks tend to be too short so that some tension is needed to lengthen them properly. Two molded “links” had to be cut away, and on the kit’s box art you can see the overlength problem when you are aware of it! I guess that the ESCI designers once assumed that the tracks would be closed into a loop (= closing the track and using heat to literally weld it together) first and then forced onto/over the wheels. I was eventually able to outsmart the tracks through the massive use of superglue under the mudguards – while the tracks still do not really stick to the glue, the large surface of the dried instant adhesive keeps the tracks in place and under light tension. Not perfect, but the tracks remain in place…

Painting and markings:

Conservative, once more a variation of the Hinterhalt scheme. Once completed, the still separate hull, gun and shield received an overall base coat with RAL 7028 Dunkelgelb (TS-3 from a rattle can). On top of that I added vertical fields with Olivgrün (RAL 6003, Humbrol 86), and finally I applied branch-like thin stripes with a dark brown (Humbrol 98, which is darker and less reddish than the authentic RAL 8012, for a stronger contrast). The idea was to mimic dense brushes during spring and summertime, and to break up the vehicle’s outlines esp. through the brown lines. Following official camouflage practice the running gear area remained uniform Dunkelgelb, as a counter-shading measure against the upper hull, and to avoid “rotating” and therefore attention-catching color patches on the wheels when the vehicle moved.

Once the camouflage was completed the main wheels received rubber rims (with Revell 09 Anthracite) and the model received a dark red-brown washing. After that, the few decals were applied and overall dry-brushing with a mix of light grey and earth brown acrylic paint was done to emphasize edges and surface details, also on the gun and in the interior. Before their tedious fitting, the vinyl tracks (which came OOB in a metallic grey finish that looked really nice) had received a washing with black and brown acrylic paint as well as dry-brushing with medium grey, too.

A relatively simple and quick project, realized in a couple of days. The concept was quite clear, and thanks to good ingredients the result looks surprisingly plausible, with relatively few and little modifications. The different Panzer III wheels were not a necessary mod, but I like their look, and painting them while being already attached to the hull posed less problems than expected. The only real trouble came through the kit’s vinyl tracks, which I’d call rubbish and recommend a replacement. If they’d be made from a less repellant material, they’d be much easier to mount (and usable). However, the small Jagdwespe really looks like a juvenile Nashorn SPG!

Collection Name: RG104 Department of Economic Development Commerce and Industrial Development (CID) Photograph Collection

Photographer/Studio: Walker, Ralph

Description: A CID employee spools 16mm film through a Craig film reader.

Coverage: United States - Missouri - Cole County - Jefferson City

Date: n.d.

Rights: public domain

Credit: Courtesy of Missouri State Archives

Image Number: RG104_CIDNegs_053-049.tif

Institution: Missouri State Archives

B&W Scans of Darkroom Prints done on 2001 outdated Ilford Delta 100 processed in RODINAL 1+50 for 14 mins @ 20oC -- I bit over-developed but I had some Old ILFOSPEED Glossy Grade 1 whole-plate size to print them on and I used dish of Potassium Ferricyanide after the Fixer to clear the 'Base Fog Level' I used a RED filter on a couple . Interior, St Andrews and All Saints Church Willingale

Rolleiflex | 75 3.5 | kodak 160 outdated

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Myanmar, previously known as Burma, what a surprisingly amazing place. We booked this holiday to get out of our comfort zone of easy beach holidays in the Maldives. There were several times when we wondered why we did it, travel in Myanmar consists mainly of long, sometimes tedious journeys on outdated transport systems. But now, in hindsight, we realise that this was the only way to truly get a feel of how the country and people are living day to day. And by far, more so than any other holiday we have had, the people are the most memorable thing we brought back with us. They are totally charming, polite, honest, resilient, hard working and most of all truly happy people. Their sincerely happy smiles, some of which we thankfully managed to capture in our photo's, are what we mostly remember and will stay with us forever.

We all know, or think we know, about the bad old days of the Burmese regime, so we obviously had a few reservations about what we were letting ourselves in for, but as it turned out, Myanmar must be the safest place we have ever been to. There is zero crime here, 85% of the country are buddhists and all the people seem to be true to Buddha's teachings of compassion, honesty, right mindedness, right living and non-harming to any living thing. Admittedly, although the country is now a democracy, the military still retains a certain amount of power, so I guess there is still an undercurrent going on albeit out of sight of the regular tourist. However, all the people we spoke to are so much happier now, they are more or less free to speak openly, without fear of reprisals and they all feel positive about the path the country is on now.

As for the landscape, what can I say, there is nowhere like it on earth! Outside the cities the whole country seems to be in some sort of 200 year old time warp. The people are mostly farmers on small plots of land using ox carts to plough the fields and living in houses made of bamboo, wood and matting. The wierdest thing is most of them have solar power, mainly for a bit of light and to charge their mobile phones! Everyone is on their phone here.....just like the rest of the world I guess. Also, there are temples, pagodas and stupas everywhere you look, especially in Bagan, which is like the Mecca of Myanmar. We were there for the Full Moon Festival where thousands of Burmese monks and Myanmar people gather from all over the country to celebrate for three days at the Ananda Pagoda in Bagan. After possibly days travelling they stay awake for most of the three days and nights watching entertainment which includes dance, theatre, chants, recitations and singing as well as stand up comedy. Amazing belief.

A word about One Stop Travel & Tours the Myanmar company we booked with. We found them via recommendations on Tripadvisor and so glad we used them. They never asked for a deposit, they booked all our hotels, train & boat journeys, balloon ride and one internal flight all on an email handshake! We just paid them in US Dollars on arrival, saving us thousands on UK travel brochure rates, and they never let us down once. The guides were all good guys and always there to greet us at the various destinations on our tour/trek, sometimes waiting hours when the transport was late. A special thanks to Leo our Yangon guide and Eaint at the One Stop office. After leaving our Nikon Coolpix A camera charger at home we trawled the shops of Yangon eventually finding a replacement.......only to leave it plugged in the wall at our next hotel in Mandalay! We were now a ten hour boat journey away in Bagan, but a call to Eaint at the One Stop office and they got it to us two days later just before we moved on! A huge thank you to all at One Stop as this holiday produced without doubt our most amazing photographs ever!

Myanmar has been open to mainstream tourism for five years now, a lot of the people speak English now so it is relatively easy to holiday there. We are so glad we went there before it really changes, there is still a huge amount of charm and old worldliness about the place that you will not find in any other country. If you are prepared to switch off from the 21st century and just accept it for what it is you will be richly rewarded with amazing memories of a landscape like no other and a fascinating people who are genuinely happy to see you.

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+++ DISCLAIMER +++

Nothing you see here is real, even though the model, the conversion or the presented background story might be based historical facts. BEWARE!

Some background:

The Georgian Air Force and Air Defense Division (თავდაცვის ძალების ავიაციისა და საჰაერო თავდაცვის სარდლობა; tavdatsvis dzalebis aviatsiisa da sahaero tavdatsvis sardloba) was established on January 1, 1992, and in September the Georgian Air Force conducted its first combat flight during the separatist war in Abkhazia. On August 18, 1998, the two divisions were unified in a joint command structure and renamed the Georgian Air Force.

In 2010, the Georgian Air Force was abolished as a separate branch and incorporated into the Georgian Land Forces as Air and Air Defense sections. By that time, the equipment – primarily consisting of Eastern Bloc aircraft inherited from the Soviet Union after the country’s dissolution – was totally outdated, the most potent aircraft were a dozen Suchoj Su-25 attack aircraft and a handful of MiG-21U trainers.

The TAM-1’s development was long and protracted, though, primarily due to lack of resources and the fact that the Georgian air force was in an almost comatose state for several years, so that the potential prime customer for the TAM-1 was not officially available. However, the first TAM-1 prototype eventually made its maiden flight in September 2017. This was just in time, because the Georgian Air Force had formally been re-established in 2016, with plans for a major modernization and procurement program. Under the leadership of Georgian Minister of Defense Irakli Garibashvili the Air Force was re-prioritized and aircraft owned by the Georgian Air Force were being modernized and re-serviced after they were left abandoned for 4 years. This program lasted until 2020. In order to become more independent from foreign sources and support its domestic aircraft industry, the Georgian Air Force eventually ordered eight TAM-1s as Su-25K replacements, which would operate alongside a handful of modernized Su-25KMs from national stock. In the meantime, the new type also attained interest from abroad, e. g. from Bulgaria, the Congo and Cyprus. The IDF thoroughly tested two early production TAM-1s of the Georgian Air Force in 2018, too.

General characteristics:

Crew: 1

Length: 15.53 m (50 ft 11 in), including pitot

Wingspan: 14.36 m (47 ft 1 in)

Height: 4.8 m (15 ft 9 in)

Wing area: 35.2 m² (378 sq ft)

Empty weight: 9,800 kg (21,605 lb)

Gross weight: 14,440 kg (31,835 lb)

Max takeoff weight: 19,300 kg (42,549 lb)

Powerplant:

2× Rolls-Royce AE 3012 turbofans with 44.1 kN (9,920 lbf) thrust each

Performance:

Maximum speed: 975 km/h (606 mph, 526 kn, Mach 0.79)

Range: 1.000 km (620 mi, 540 nmi) with internal fuel, clean

Combat range: 750 km (470 mi, 400 nmi) at sea level with 4.500 kg (9,911 lb) of ordnance,

incl. two external fuel tanks

Service ceiling: 7.800 m (25,550 ft)

g limits: +6.5

Rate of climb: 58 m/s (11,400 ft/min)

Armament:

1× 35 mm (1.38 in) Oerlikon KDA cannon with 200 rds in two magazines

under the lower forward fuselage, offset to port side.

11× hardpoints with a capacity of up to 4.500 kg (9,911 lb) of external stores

The kit and its assembly:

This rather rigorous conversion had been on my project list for many years, and with the “Gunships” group build at whatifmodellers.com in late 2021 I eventually gathered my mojo to tackle it. The ingredients had already been procured long ago, but there are ideas that make you think twice before you take action…

This build was somewhat inspired by a CG rendition of a modified Su-25 that I came across while doing online search for potential ideas, running under the moniker “Su-125”, apparently created by someone called “Bispro” and published at DeviantArt in 2010; check this: (www.deviantart.com/bispro/art/Sukhoi-Su-125-Foghorn-15043...). The rendition shows a Su-25 with its engines re-located to the rear fuselage in separate nacelles, much like an A-10, plus a T-tail. However, as many photoshopped aircraft, the shown concept had IMHO some flaws. Where would a landing gear go, as the Su-125 still had shoulder wings? The engines’ position and size also looked fishy to me, quite small/narrow and very far high and back – I had doubts concerning the center of gravity. Nevertheless, I liked the idea, and the idea of an “A-10-esque remix” of the classic Frogfoot was born.

This idea was fueled even further when I found out that the Hobbycraft kit lends itself to such a conversion. The kit itself is not a brilliant Su-25 rendition, there are certainly better models of the aircraft in 1:72. However, what spoke for the kit as whiffing fodder was/is the fact that it is quite cheap (righteously so!) and AFAIK the only offering that comes with separate engine nacelles. These are attached to a completely independent central fuselage, and this avoids massive bodywork that would be necessary (if possible at all) with more conventional kits of this aircraft.

Another beneficial design feature is that the wing roots are an integral part of the original engine nacelles, forming their top side up to the fuselage spine. Through this, the original wingspan could be retained even without the nacelles, no wing extension would be necessary to retain the original proportions.

Work started with the central fuselage and the cockpit tub, which received a different (better) armored ejection seat and a pilot figure; the canopy remained unmodified and closed, because representing the model with an open cockpit would have required additional major body work on the spinal area behind the canopy. Inside, a new dashboard (from an Italeri BAe Hawk) was added, too – the original instrument panel is just a flat front bulkhead, there’s no space for the pilot to place the legs underneath the dashboard!

In parallel, the fin underwent major surgery. I initially considered an A-10-ish twin tail, but the Su-25’s high “tail stinger” prevented its implementation: the jet efflux would come very close to the tail surfaces. So, I went for something similar to the “Su-125” layout.

Mounting the OOB stabilizers to the fin was challenging, though. The fin lost its di-electric tip fairing, and it was cut into two sections, so that the tip would become long enough to match the stabilizers. A lucky find in the scrap box was a leftover tail tip from a Matchbox Blackburn Buccaneer, already shortened from a former, stillborn project: it had now the perfect length to take the Su-25 stabilizers! To make it fit on the fin, an 8mm deep section was inserted, in the form of a simple 1.5mm styrene sheet strip. Once dry, the surface was re-built with several PSR layers. Since it would sit further back on the new aircraft’s tail, the stinger with a RHAWS sensor was shortened.

On the fuselage, the attachment points for the wings and the engine nacelles were PSRed away and the front section filled with lots of lead beads, hoping that it would be enough to keep the model’s nose down.

Even though the wings had a proper span for a re-location into a low position, they still needed some attention: at the roots, there’s a ~1cm wide section without sweep (the area which would normally cover the original engine nacelles’ tops). This was mended through triangular 1.5 mm styrene wedges that extended the leading-edge sweep, roughly cut into shape once attached and later PSRed into the wings’ surfaces

The next construction site were the new landing gear attachment points. This had caused some serious headaches – where do you place and stow it? With new, low wings settled, the wings were the only logical place. But the wings were too thin to suitably take the retracted wheels, and, following the idea of a retrofitted existing design, I decided to adopt the A-10’s solution of nacelles into which the landing gear retracts forward, with the wheels still partly showing. This layout option appears quite plausible, since it would be a “graft-on” solution, and it also has the benefit of leaving lots of space for underwing stores, since the hardpoints’ position had to be modified now, too.

I was lucky to have a pair of A-10 landing gear nacelles at hand, left over from a wrecked Matchbox model from childhood time (the parts are probably 35 years old!). They were simply cut out, glued to the Su-25 wings and PSRed into shape. The result looked really good!

At this point I had to decide the model’s overall layout – where to place the wings, the tail and the new engine nacelles. The latter were not 1:72 A-10 transplants. I had some spare engine pods from the aforementioned Matchbox wreck, but these looked too rough and toylike for my taste. They were furthermore too bulky for the Su-25, which is markedly smaller than an A-10, so I had to look elsewhere. As a neat alternative for this project, I had already procured many moons ago a set of 1:144 resin PS-90A engines from a Russian company called “A.M.U.R. Reaver”, originally intended for a Tu-204 airliner or an Il-76 transport aircraft. These turbofan nacelles not only look very much like A-10 nacelles, just a bit smaller and more elegant, they are among the best resin aftermarket parts I have ever encountered: almost no flash, crisp molding, no bubbles, and perfect fit of the parts – WOW!

With these three elements at hand I was able to define the wings’ position, based on the tail, and from that the nacelles’ location, relative to the wings and the fin.

The next challenge: how to attach the new engines to the fuselage? The PS-90A engines came without pylons, so I had to improvise. I eventually found suitable pylons in the form of parts from F-14A underwing missile pylons, left over from an Italeri kit. Some major tailoring was necessary to find a proper position on the nacelles and on the fuselage, and PSRing these parts turned out to be quite difficult because of the tight and labyrinthine space.

When the engines were in place, work shifted towards the model’s underside. The landing gear was fully replaced. I initially wanted to retain the front wheel leg and the main wheels but found that the low wings would not allow a good ground clearance for underwing stores and re-arming the aircraft, a slightly taller solution was necessary. I eventually found a complete landing gear set in the scrap box, even though I am not certain to which aircraft it once belonged? I guess that the front wheel came from a Hasegawa RA-5C Vigilante, while the main gear and the wheels once belonged to an Italeri F-14A, alle struts were slightly shortened. The resulting stance is still a bit stalky, but an A-10 is also quite tall – this is just not so obvious because of the aircraft’s sheer size.

Due to the low wings and the landing gear pods, the Su-25’s hardpoints had to be re-arranged, and this eventually led to a layout very similar to the A-10. I gave the aircraft a pair of pylons inside of the pods, plus three hardpoints under the fuselage, even though all of these would only be used when slim ordnance was carried. I just fitted the outer pair. Outside of the landing gear fairings there would have been enough space for the Frogfoot’s original four outer for pylons, but I found this to be a little too much. So I gave it “just” three, with more space between them.

The respective ordnance is a mix for a CAS mission with dedicated and occasional targets. It consists of:

- Drop tanks under the inner wings (left over from a Bilek Su-17/22 kit)

- A pair of B-8M1 FFAR pods under the fuselage (from a vintage Mastercraft USSR weapon set)

- Two MERs with four 200 kg bombs each, mounted on the pylons outside of the landing gear (the odd MERs came from a Special Hobby IDF SMB-2 Super Mystère kit, the bombs are actually 1:100 USAF 750 lb bombs from a Tamiya F-105 Thunderchief in that scale)

- Four CBU-100 Rockeye Mk. II cluster bombs on the outer stations (from two Italeri USA/NATO weapon sets, each only offers a pair of these)

Yes, it’s a mix of Russian and NATO ordnance – but, like the real Georgian Su-25KM “Scorpion” upgrade, the TAM-1 would certainly be able to carry the same or even a wider mix, thanks to modified bomb racks and wirings. Esp. “dumb” weapons, which do not call for special targeting and guidance avionics, are qualified.

The gun under the nose was replaced with a piece from a hollow steel needle.

Painting and markings:

Nothing unusual here. I considered some more “exotic” options, but eventually settled for a “conservative” Soviet/Russian-style four-tone tactical camouflage, something that “normal” Su-25s would carry, too.

The disruptive pattern was adapted from a Macedonian Frogfoot but underwent some changes due to the T-tail and the engine nacelles. The basic tones were Humbrol 119 (RAF Light Earth), 150 (Forest Green), 195 (Chrome Oxide Green, RAL 6020) and 98 (Chocolate) on the upper surfaces and RLM78 from (Modelmaster #2087) from below, with a relatively low waterline, due to the low-set wings.

As usual, the model received a light black ink washing and some post-shading – especially on the hull and on the fin, where many details had either disappeared under PSR or were simply not there at all.

The landing gear and the lower areas of the cockpit were painted in light grey (Humbrol 64), while the upper cockpit sections were painted with bright turquoise (Modelmaster #2135). The wheel hubs were painted in bright green (Humbrol 101), while some di-electric fairings received a slightly less intense tone (Humbrol 2). A few of these flat fairings on the hull were furthermore created with green decal sheet material (from TL Modellbau) to avoid masking and corrections with paint.

The tactical markings became minimal, matching the look of late Georgian Su-25s. The roundels came from a Balkan Models Frogfoot sheet. The “07” was taken from a Blue Rider decal sheet, it actually belongs to a Lithuanian An-2. Some white stencils from generic MiG-21 and Mi-8 Begemot sheets were added, too, and some small markings were just painted onto the hull with yellow.

Some soot stains around the jet nozzles and the gun were added with graphite, and finally the kit was sealed with a coat of matt acrylic varnish.

A major bodywork project – and it’s weird that this is basically just a conversion of a stock kit and no kitbashing. A true Frogfoot remix! The new engines were the biggest “outsourced” addition, the A-10 landing gear fairings were a lucky find in the scrap box, and the rest is quite generic and could have looked differently. The result is impressive and balanced, though, the fictional TAM-1 looks quite plausible. The landing gear turned out to be a bit tall and stalky, though, making the aircraft look smaller on the ground than it actually is – but I left it that way.

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+++ DISCLAIMER +++

Nothing you see here is real, even though the conversion or the presented background story might be based on historical facts. BEWARE!

Some background:

The history of the Swiss Air Force began in 1914 with the establishment of an ad hoc force consisting of a handful of men in outdated and largely civilian aircraft. It was only in the 1930s the military and civilian leadership decided to establish an effective air force. On 13 December 1929, in what was in retrospect referred to as the "bill to create an air force", the Federal Council asked the Swiss Federal Assembly to approve the spending of 20 million francs for the purchase of 65 French Dewoitine D.27 fighters and the manufacture of 40 Dutch (Fokker C.V-E) reconnaissance planes under license.

Although the opposition Social Democratic Party collected 42,000 signatures in a petition opposing the bill, Parliament passed it handily and declined to allow a referendum on the issue, optional at that time for spending bills. This was the start of a massive armament program that would consume more than a billion francs over the next ten years, but after Hitler's rise to power in Germany, the Social Democrats added their support to the efforts.

When enough monoplane fighters had widely become available for the Swiss Air Force in 1943, the C-3400/-3401 biplanes were quickly removed from front-line service. They served on in second-line surveillance and aerial patrol units, or they were transferred to training units, where most of the type (a total of 119 were built) survived the hostilities. The last C-3400/-3401 was finally withdrawn from service in 1954, and only a single specimen survived in the collection of the Aviation Museum (Flieger Flab Museum) in Dübendorf, Switzerland.

General characteristics:

Crew: 1

Length: 7.2 m (23 ft 7 in)

Wingspan: 10.02 m (32 ft 10 in)

Height: 3 m (9 ft 10 in)

Wing area: 23 m2 (250 sq ft)

Airfoil: NACA M-12

Empty weight: 1,360 kg (2,998 lb)

Gross weight: 1,740 kg (3,836 lb)

Powerplant:

1× BMW VI 7.3 V-12 liquid-cooled piston engine, 634 kW (850 hp),

driving a three-bladed variable pitch metal propeller

Performance:

Maximum speed: 400 km/h (250 mph, 220 kn) at 3,000 m (9,843 ft)

Service ceiling: 11,500 m (37,700 ft)

Rate of climb: 16.67 m/s (3,281 ft/min)

Time to altitude: 5,000 m (16,404 ft) in 5 minutes 30 seconds

Wing loading: 75.7 kg/m2 (15.5 lb/sq ft)

Power/mass: 0.36 kW/kg (0.22 hp/lb)

Armament:

2× fixed, forward-firing 7.5 mm (.295 in) MAC 1934 machine guns with 600 RPG

4× underwing hardpoints for 20 lb (9.1 kg) bombs (rarely used)

The kit and its assembly:

This whiffy biplane was/is just a kit travesty – the fictional EKW C-34 is a Kawasaki Ki-10 (the ICM kit) with mild mods and Swiss pre-WWII markings. I had an eye on the quite elegant Japanese fighter for a while, and due to its engine with German roots (its Kawasaki Ha9-IIa was a license-built water-cooled BMW VI V12 engine) I thought about a European operator – and eventually I decided to make it a Swiss aircraft.

The ICM kit was built almost OOB, the only changes I made were the spatted wheels (IIRC left over from an ICM Polikarpov I-15 biplane), which needed some tweaks on the OOB struts, and the different, closed canopy (from a Hobby Boss A6M Zero), because I wanted a relatively modern look, comparable with the contemporary Avia B-534 biplane. Mounting it was tricky, because of the “step” under the windscreen, so that I had to add a console under it, and some PSR was necessary to blend the canopy, which was cut into three parts for open display, into the rounded back of the Ki-10. A scratched antenna mast was added, too, to fill the respective opening in the rear part of the dorsal glazing. Thanks to the many braces of the A6M canopy, the implant looks quite organic.

The ICM Ki-10 went together quite well, it’s a rather simple kit with only a single sprue and few parts. The biggest challenge was the upper wing, though, which is only carried by the struts. The locator pins are only marginal, and finding a proper position took some time and superglue.

I furthermore modified the propeller with a long metal axis and a tube adapter inside if the fuselage, so that it could spin freely.

Painting and markings:

The reason why the Ki-10 became a Swiss aircraft was the paint scheme – a quite attractive tricolor splinter pattern (apparently inspired by the similar German camouflage in RLM 61,62 and 63?) was the Swiss Air Force’s standard at the breakout of WWII, and I adopted it for the C-3401, too.

The pattern is vaguely based on a real C-35 biplane (presented at the Dübendorf Aviation Museum), which I deem to look authentic, and I tried to emulate its colors as good as possible. I settled on Desert Yellow (Humbrol 94, the tone is officially called “Ochre” but appears to be quite yellowish), French Khaki Green (ModelMaster 2106) and Chestnut Brown (ModelMaster 2107, another French WWII aircraft tone), with light grey (Humbrol 64) undersides. Painting the splinter scheme with a brush on a biplane like this was tricky, though. The cockpit interior was painted with a grey-green tone similar to RLM 02 (Humbrol 45), the wing struts became black.

As usual, the model received a light black ink washing, plus some post-panel shading and dry-brushing to emphasize details and to weather it, but only lightly, because the aircraft would not have been involved in fights.

The roundels on the upper wings came from a generic TL-Modellbau national markings sheet, while the red bands for the national insignia under the lower wings and on the rudder were painted. The white cross on the fin comes from a Swiss BAe Hawk trainer (Italeri), while the slightly bigger white cross under the lower wings was scratched from white decal stripes. The tactical code comes from a Croatian MiG-21UM trainer (KP kit), the unit badge is fictional and came from a Spanish Heinkel He 70.

The model was sealed overall with matt acrylic varnish, and as a final step the rigging was applied, made from heated black sprue material, using the real Ki-10 as benchmark for the connections/positions.

A pretty result, and the simple travesty of the elegant Ki-10 into a late interwar biplane from Continental Europe works surprisingly well. The spats and the closed canopy might not have been necessary, but they modernize and change the aircraft, so that its use during WWII – even though not in any offensive role – becomes even more believable. The splinter scheme suits the aircraft well, too, even though its application was a bit tricky, as well as the Swiss roundels.

+++ DISCLAIMER +++

Nothing you see here is real, even though the conversion or the presented background story might be based on historical facts. BEWARE!

Some background:

The Sd.Kfz. 124 Wespe (German for "wasp", also known as Leichte Feldhaubitze 18/2 auf Fahrgestell Panzerkampfwagen II (Sf.), "Light field howitzer 18 on Panzer II chassis (self-propelled)"), was a German self-propelled gun developed and used during the Second World War. During the Battle of France in 1940 it became apparent that the intermediate tank of the German forces, the Panzer II, had become unsuitable as a main battle tank and outdated. Though mechanically sound, it was both under-gunned and under-armored, and its small size prevented heavier armament and armor so that its development potential was limited. The chassis, however, proved serviceable for providing mobility to the 10.5 cm field howitzer, and important artillery weapon.

Operationally, the Jagdwespe was best employed in defensive or overwatch roles. They were neither assault vehicles nor tank substitutes, and the open-top compartment meant operations in crowded areas such as urban environments or other close-combat situations weren't a valid tactical option. But despite their weaknesses, they were more effective than the towed antitank guns they replaced, and the 7.5 cm Pak 42 with the extended barrel meant a significant improvement in firepower. The vehicle was small, easy to conceal for an ambush and relatively agile, so that it could quickly change position after a shot, and the Panzer II chassis was mechanically reliable, what made it popular with its crews.

Specifications:

Crew: Four (commander, gunner, loader/radio operator, driver)

Weight: 12.5 tonnes (27,533 lb)

Length: 4.81 m (15 ft 9 in)

6.44 m (21 ft 1 1/2 in) overall

Width: 2.28 m (7 ft 6 in)

Height: 2.21 m (7 ft 3 in)

Suspension: Leaf spring

Fuel capacity: 170 L (45 US gal)

Armor:

5 - 30 mm (.19 - 1.18 in)

Performance:

Maximum road speed: 40 km/h (25 mph)

Operational range: 220 km (137 mi) on roads

100 km (62 mi) cross-country

Power/weight: 12.7 PS/tonne

Engine & transmission:

6-cyl petrol Maybach HL62 TR with 140 PS (138 hp, 103 kW)

Armament:

1× 7.5 cm Panzerabwehrkanone 42/L 70 (7.5 cm Pak 42) with 51 rounds

1× 7.92 mm MG 34 machine gun with 2.000 rounds

The kit and its assembly:

This relatively simple German WWII what-if SPG was spawned from the thought that the light Wespe artillery SPG might also have been used for an anti-tank SPG, with relatively few modifications. The long-barreled 7.5 cm KwK 42/L70 appeared to be a suitable weapon for this kind of vehicle around 1944, so I tried to build a respective model.

The basis became the Italeri 1:72 “Wespe” kit, which is in fact a re-boxed ESCI kit. It goes together well, and you can build upper and lower hull separately for a final “marriage”. To change the Wespe’s look a little I exchanged the solid OOB wheels with those from a Panzer III, left over from a Revell/Mako kit. They are perfect in size, but due a lack of depth of their attachment openings (I only used the outer half of the Panzer III wheels) I glued them onto the hull before painting, normally I finish them separately and mount them in a final assembly step.

For the gun I had to improvise a little, because the open casemate would allow a good look at it. I settled for a straightforward solution in the form of a Zvezda 1:72 PaK 40. The gun was taken OOB, I just removed the wheel attachment points from its chassis and replaced the short gun barrel with a muzzle brake with a aluminum 1:72 L70 barrel for a Panther Ausf. F (with a Schmalturm) from Aber. Both elements were relatively easy to combine, and the gun shield could be taken over, too. Once the gun mount’s position in the Wespe hull was defined I narrowed the front opening a little with styrene wedges, added a deflector at its base, and reduced the height of the side walls for a coherent look. All in all the transplant looks very plausible!

Since the kit provides the option I decided to leave the driver’s hatch open and install the OOB driver figure on a raised seat. For the long barrel I scratched a support that was mounted to the front hull. Looks a bit awkward, though, because it obscures the driver’s field of view – but I could not find a better solution.

The only real trouble I had with the Italeri Wespe were the tracks: they were made from a really strange (and effectively horrible) vinyl material. This material repelled EVERYTHING with a kind of lotus effect – paints of any kind, even superglue! My usual method of mounting such tracks on the main wheels did not work at all, because the track would not hold at all. During these trials I also recognized that the tracks were too long – rather unusual, because 1:72 vinyl tracks tend to be too short so that some tension is needed to lengthen them properly. Two molded “links” had to be cut away, and on the kit’s box art you can see the overlength problem when you are aware of it! I guess that the ESCI designers once assumed that the tracks would be closed into a loop (= closing the track and using heat to literally weld it together) first and then forced onto/over the wheels. I was eventually able to outsmart the tracks through the massive use of superglue under the mudguards – while the tracks still do not really stick to the glue, the large surface of the dried instant adhesive keeps the tracks in place and under light tension. Not perfect, but the tracks remain in place…

Painting and markings:

Conservative, once more a variation of the Hinterhalt scheme. Once completed, the still separate hull, gun and shield received an overall base coat with RAL 7028 Dunkelgelb (TS-3 from a rattle can). On top of that I added vertical fields with Olivgrün (RAL 6003, Humbrol 86), and finally I applied branch-like thin stripes with a dark brown (Humbrol 98, which is darker and less reddish than the authentic RAL 8012, for a stronger contrast). The idea was to mimic dense brushes during spring and summertime, and to break up the vehicle’s outlines esp. through the brown lines. Following official camouflage practice the running gear area remained uniform Dunkelgelb, as a counter-shading measure against the upper hull, and to avoid “rotating” and therefore attention-catching color patches on the wheels when the vehicle moved.

Once the camouflage was completed the main wheels received rubber rims (with Revell 09 Anthracite) and the model received a dark red-brown washing. After that, the few decals were applied and overall dry-brushing with a mix of light grey and earth brown acrylic paint was done to emphasize edges and surface details, also on the gun and in the interior. Before their tedious fitting, the vinyl tracks (which came OOB in a metallic grey finish that looked really nice) had received a washing with black and brown acrylic paint as well as dry-brushing with medium grey, too.

A relatively simple and quick project, realized in a couple of days. The concept was quite clear, and thanks to good ingredients the result looks surprisingly plausible, with relatively few and little modifications. The different Panzer III wheels were not a necessary mod, but I like their look, and painting them while being already attached to the hull posed less problems than expected. The only real trouble came through the kit’s vinyl tracks, which I’d call rubbish and recommend a replacement. If they’d be made from a less repellant material, they’d be much easier to mount (and usable). However, the small Jagdwespe really looks like a juvenile Nashorn SPG!

Rolleiflex 3.5F - Planar 75mm - Kodak Ektar (outdated) -

b/w - converted

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Portrait Mia - summer 2020