Private Arthur George Kiddle 2nd Coldstream Guards 1916
In Remembrance
Of Catherine Esther
The beloved wife of
Joseph W Kiddle
Who died June 6th 1916
Aged 42 years
Also her son
Alfred George,
Killed in France
March 22nd 1916
Aged 21 years
KIDDLE, GEORGE ALFRED
Rank: Private
Service No: 14350
Date of Death: 22/03/1916
Age: 21
Regiment: Coldstream Guards, 2nd Bn.
Grave Reference V. D. 13.
Cemetery LIJSSENTHOEK MILITARY CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of Joseph William and Catherine Kiddle, of Sizeland, Norfolk.
CWGC www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead/casualty/145388/KIDDLE,%...
LIJSSENTHOEK MILITARY CEMETERY
During the First World War, the village of Lijssenthoek was situated on the main communication line between the Allied military bases in the rear and the Ypres battlefields. Close to the Front, but out of the extreme range of most German field artillery, it became a natural place to establish casualty clearing stations. The cemetery was first used by the French 15th Hopital D'Evacuation and in June 1915, it began to be used by casualty clearing stations of the Commonwealth forces.
www.cwgc.org/find-a-cemetery/cemetery/14900/LIJSSENTHOEK%...
On Soldiers Died in the Great, his birth place is shown as Bergh Apton, Norfolk.
The 6 year old George A, born Sizeland,Norfolk, was recorded on the 1901 census at Washingford Farm, Sisland. This was the household of his parents, Joseph W, (aged 47 and a Farmer from East Dereham) and Catherine, (aged 32 and from Ashby, Norfolk). Their other children are:-
Arthur………….aged u/1.……….born Sizeland
Bertie J………..aged 10.…………born Sizeland
Caroline O……aged 2.………….born Sizeland
Eleanor R……..aged 9.…………..born Sizeland
Laura R……….aged 12.…………born Sizeland
Louisa H……..aged 14.………….born Sizeland
Rose M……….aged 8.…………..born Sizeland
William J……..aged 17.…………born Sizeland…….Horseman on Farm
The following baptisms were recorded at St Mary Sisland :-
Given the age of William J on the 1901 census, (17) and the age of Catherine (32), I would suspect that Joseph W had remarried. This appears to be borne out by the baptism records.
William Joseph born 3rd February 1884, baptised 20th September 1885 to a Joseph and Joanna
There is also a Mary with the same parents - born 12th January 1883, baptised 9th September 1883.
Also Anna Sophia - born 27th August 1885, baptised 20th September 1885
However, we then have a Robert, born 27th August 1886 to a Joseph and Ellen, who was baptised on the 3rd April 1887.
The next Kiddle baptised however once again lists parents as Joseph and Joanna. This was Louisa, born 9th February 1887 and baptised 9th November 1890.
Next comes Laura, born 8th February 1889 and also baptised on the 9th November 1890.
A further baptism takes place on the same, but the parents of this child are listed as Joseph and Catherine.
This is Bertie, who was born on the 2nd April 1890.
Next is Eleanor, born 4th August 1891 and baptised 19th August 1894
Then comes Rosa, born 16th January 1893 and baptised the same day as Eleanor.
Next up is what appears to be a transcription error -
Alfred - Date of birth 23rd July 1894 Baptism 19th April 1894
I suspect that should read 19th August 1894 and therefore he was baptised on the same day as his sisters.
The next baptism is James, born 29th January 1897, baptised 10th April 1897.
Followed by Olive, born 15th December 1898 and baptised 26th February 1899.
A little bit on a family history forum comes from the grand-daughter of Louisa.
My grandmother was Louisa Hannah Kiddle she was born 9th Feb 1887. Her mother was Joanna (don't know her maiden name), married to Joseph W Kiddle.(from East Dereham according to the census) She had an older sister, Mary, born 12th January 1883 (is this your grandmother?) a brother William born 3rd February 1884, a sister Annie born 27th August 1885 and a younger sister Laura born on 8th February 1889. Joanna was buried 28.5.1889 age 43 according to Parish records, 3 months after Laura was born.
At the time of the 1901 census they were living at Washingford Farm, Sisland, South Norfolk. I visited the area, a local farmer told me that Washingford Farm remained in the Kiddle family until the 1970's and he knew Thomas who died in 1970 and was the last but one of Joseph's 12 children from his marriage to Catherine in 1890. She too died age 43. Had it not been for Catherine having Joanna's children, as well as her own, baptised I would never have found all this information.
I adored my grandmother, she never spoke about her early life, but she sometimes mentioned Kings Lynn. She lived in London where she had two illegitimate daughters, my aunt and mother, they never knew anything about this and the only family member who seems to have kept in touch with Gran was Mary who visited her and my aunt's family in London often enough for my cousins tro remember her and her daughters. Mary became Mrs Wagg I believe and had two daughters Lily and Muriel.
genforum.genealogy.com/kiddle/messages/41.html
genforum.genealogy.com/kiddle/messages/25.html
Mill End, Bergh Apton
This property is set amidst attractive meadow land, next door to Washingford Farm, an old mill house. The Leat (mill-stream) that fed water (to what was a corn mill) marked the boundary between Bergh Apton and Sisland. There was a mill recorded here at the time of the Little Domesday Book of 1086.
www.cottagesbycounty.com/south.php
www.suffolkandnorfolkholidays.co.uk/index.php/cottage/MEB
.
www.norfolkmills.co.uk/Watermills/sisland.html
There seems to be a steady stream of casualties from the March 1916 period in all the units - 2nd Coldstreams, 2nd Grenadier, 3rd Coldstreams and 1st Irish, that made up the 1st Guards Brigade, but no significant actions. It seems to have been a period of trench raids and local attacks to straighten out the line, plus the daily attrition of sniping and shelling.
See this dispatch from General Haig giving a sanitised view but one that still hints at the horrors and miseries endured.
www.firstworldwar.com/source/haigsteloidespatch.htm
Private Arthur George Kiddle 2nd Coldstream Guards 1916
In Remembrance
Of Catherine Esther
The beloved wife of
Joseph W Kiddle
Who died June 6th 1916
Aged 42 years
Also her son
Alfred George,
Killed in France
March 22nd 1916
Aged 21 years
KIDDLE, GEORGE ALFRED
Rank: Private
Service No: 14350
Date of Death: 22/03/1916
Age: 21
Regiment: Coldstream Guards, 2nd Bn.
Grave Reference V. D. 13.
Cemetery LIJSSENTHOEK MILITARY CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of Joseph William and Catherine Kiddle, of Sizeland, Norfolk.
CWGC www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead/casualty/145388/KIDDLE,%...
LIJSSENTHOEK MILITARY CEMETERY
During the First World War, the village of Lijssenthoek was situated on the main communication line between the Allied military bases in the rear and the Ypres battlefields. Close to the Front, but out of the extreme range of most German field artillery, it became a natural place to establish casualty clearing stations. The cemetery was first used by the French 15th Hopital D'Evacuation and in June 1915, it began to be used by casualty clearing stations of the Commonwealth forces.
www.cwgc.org/find-a-cemetery/cemetery/14900/LIJSSENTHOEK%...
On Soldiers Died in the Great, his birth place is shown as Bergh Apton, Norfolk.
The 6 year old George A, born Sizeland,Norfolk, was recorded on the 1901 census at Washingford Farm, Sisland. This was the household of his parents, Joseph W, (aged 47 and a Farmer from East Dereham) and Catherine, (aged 32 and from Ashby, Norfolk). Their other children are:-
Arthur………….aged u/1.……….born Sizeland
Bertie J………..aged 10.…………born Sizeland
Caroline O……aged 2.………….born Sizeland
Eleanor R……..aged 9.…………..born Sizeland
Laura R……….aged 12.…………born Sizeland
Louisa H……..aged 14.………….born Sizeland
Rose M……….aged 8.…………..born Sizeland
William J……..aged 17.…………born Sizeland…….Horseman on Farm
The following baptisms were recorded at St Mary Sisland :-
Given the age of William J on the 1901 census, (17) and the age of Catherine (32), I would suspect that Joseph W had remarried. This appears to be borne out by the baptism records.
William Joseph born 3rd February 1884, baptised 20th September 1885 to a Joseph and Joanna
There is also a Mary with the same parents - born 12th January 1883, baptised 9th September 1883.
Also Anna Sophia - born 27th August 1885, baptised 20th September 1885
However, we then have a Robert, born 27th August 1886 to a Joseph and Ellen, who was baptised on the 3rd April 1887.
The next Kiddle baptised however once again lists parents as Joseph and Joanna. This was Louisa, born 9th February 1887 and baptised 9th November 1890.
Next comes Laura, born 8th February 1889 and also baptised on the 9th November 1890.
A further baptism takes place on the same, but the parents of this child are listed as Joseph and Catherine.
This is Bertie, who was born on the 2nd April 1890.
Next is Eleanor, born 4th August 1891 and baptised 19th August 1894
Then comes Rosa, born 16th January 1893 and baptised the same day as Eleanor.
Next up is what appears to be a transcription error -
Alfred - Date of birth 23rd July 1894 Baptism 19th April 1894
I suspect that should read 19th August 1894 and therefore he was baptised on the same day as his sisters.
The next baptism is James, born 29th January 1897, baptised 10th April 1897.
Followed by Olive, born 15th December 1898 and baptised 26th February 1899.
A little bit on a family history forum comes from the grand-daughter of Louisa.
My grandmother was Louisa Hannah Kiddle she was born 9th Feb 1887. Her mother was Joanna (don't know her maiden name), married to Joseph W Kiddle.(from East Dereham according to the census) She had an older sister, Mary, born 12th January 1883 (is this your grandmother?) a brother William born 3rd February 1884, a sister Annie born 27th August 1885 and a younger sister Laura born on 8th February 1889. Joanna was buried 28.5.1889 age 43 according to Parish records, 3 months after Laura was born.
At the time of the 1901 census they were living at Washingford Farm, Sisland, South Norfolk. I visited the area, a local farmer told me that Washingford Farm remained in the Kiddle family until the 1970's and he knew Thomas who died in 1970 and was the last but one of Joseph's 12 children from his marriage to Catherine in 1890. She too died age 43. Had it not been for Catherine having Joanna's children, as well as her own, baptised I would never have found all this information.
I adored my grandmother, she never spoke about her early life, but she sometimes mentioned Kings Lynn. She lived in London where she had two illegitimate daughters, my aunt and mother, they never knew anything about this and the only family member who seems to have kept in touch with Gran was Mary who visited her and my aunt's family in London often enough for my cousins tro remember her and her daughters. Mary became Mrs Wagg I believe and had two daughters Lily and Muriel.
genforum.genealogy.com/kiddle/messages/41.html
genforum.genealogy.com/kiddle/messages/25.html
Mill End, Bergh Apton
This property is set amidst attractive meadow land, next door to Washingford Farm, an old mill house. The Leat (mill-stream) that fed water (to what was a corn mill) marked the boundary between Bergh Apton and Sisland. There was a mill recorded here at the time of the Little Domesday Book of 1086.
www.cottagesbycounty.com/south.php
www.suffolkandnorfolkholidays.co.uk/index.php/cottage/MEB
.
www.norfolkmills.co.uk/Watermills/sisland.html
There seems to be a steady stream of casualties from the March 1916 period in all the units - 2nd Coldstreams, 2nd Grenadier, 3rd Coldstreams and 1st Irish, that made up the 1st Guards Brigade, but no significant actions. It seems to have been a period of trench raids and local attacks to straighten out the line, plus the daily attrition of sniping and shelling.
See this dispatch from General Haig giving a sanitised view but one that still hints at the horrors and miseries endured.
www.firstworldwar.com/source/haigsteloidespatch.htm