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Posted: 03/14/2007 at 10:52am | IP Logged Quote Ray Ashmore

 

There is coming, and now is in seed form, a new order five-fold ministry which, for the most part, is hidden today, but is being revealed in these last days as a restoration of New Testament government and order. The scriptures given as promises to the coming apostles are Isaiah 60 and Isaiah 49. Apostolic authority is not sought by the called ones. On the contrary, it is reluctantly accepted. But obedient hearts submit to the Father’s will. They do not seek recognition but will be recognized as they go about their tasks of obedience. These apostles are committed as never before to the nameless, faceless ministry of lifting up the name of Jesus.

 

No one knows in specifics what this new order will look like. The fulfillment will interpret the prophecies. But there are coming significant changes in the body of Christ. There will be a change in the present leadership pattern of our churches. The present five-fold is still very much an overlay on the old order pattern of pastor, church officials and congregation. Some have changed the name "pastor" and replaced it with "apostle," or expanded team ministries to identify and include those with five-fold giftings. But the pattern is the same. This way of five-fold is necessary for transitional purposes, but will give way to a new work of God.

 

Many of the well known apostles and prophets today are members of the old order and speak out of the old paradigm. This does not make them wrong, just marginally relevant for what God is bringing about in the future.

 

New order apostles will not reject established church fellowships, but will be focused primarily as Jesus was, with an unyielding emphasis of reaching out, rather than inviting in. The gathered people of God will be community-wide, as city churches become more than wishful thinking. This will change the way the church is understood by the man in the street. Church is seen primarily as a gathering of like-minded Christians on Elm and Main which may or may not be denominationally related. The city-wide, nation-wide, world-wide nature of the church has been acknowledged in a token way or a denominational way, but the great reality which Jesus prayed for in John 17 hasn't manifested since a partial manifestation in the church's infancy. There is a coming change in our paradigm. Christians will begin to see the church as a community rather than a location. Locations will be important, but only as places to facilitate God's work, not as identity makers.

 

Miracles are increasing and will continue to increase as the name of Jesus is lifted up and His kingdom is manifested. The increase will be to the degree that the "wow" miracles we see today will be "ho-hum" in the days ahead. Apostolic miracles in every community and around the world will draw people to meet together in their common areas, church buildings, businesses, community buildings and homes. Religious walls of denominationalism and theological nit-picking will fall (at least among the obedient). Racial suspicions and divisions will begin to disappear as walls of the flesh crumble.

 

Those who are entrenched and vested in the present day old church order, (pastors who are in it for their careers, provincially minded church leaders, class and race worshippers), will align themselves with the world and will seek to stop the new movement of God through slanders and deceptions of all sorts., but to no avail. This civil war should reach its height within ten years of the public unveiling of the new order apostles. It will continue for some years as the forces of darkness, citizens of the world and religious conservators join together. There will be great darkness and travail, but the lovers of God’s kingdom will prevail. There will also be initial opposition from some five-fold ministers who will feel threatened by the new order. But when their pride is broken, one by one these leaders will join the new wineskin of God.

 

As the Father says, “I am going to work mighty works. I am going to touch my Heart, my Church. I am going to make a way of salvation and lead my Church to glory. I am going to manifest my presence, my power and my purpose for the Church in these last days. There will be great suffering, but greater glory. I will be revealed in power and men will marvel at my sight. Stand up and speak. Do not be deterred. There are those who want to hear their own thoughts, their own interpretations of their lives, and of Me. They do not want to hear me. But I will speak and not be silent. I will proclaim and not be shut up. I will voice my will and there is no one who will frustrate my work. My Truth is coming to pass and I will have my way.”

 

 

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Posted: 03/14/2007 at 12:20pm | IP Logged Quote Mike League

This certainly sounds great to me. The old, traditional way has never worked for me, that's for sure. I'm interested in reaching out to the lost. That's my goal. This new paradigm seems that it would be a better way to do that.

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Posted: 03/14/2007 at 6:00pm | IP Logged Quote Kathy Bippus

 

amen,

 

The `church' (ISC )has placed the emphasis on the gifts(five-fold), not Holy Spirit. He's now cleansing mindsets that have been taught and passed down, of and by men. He's tearing down those structures that have been built and propagated, and the government of His Kingdom is being established within the hearts and souls of men. We are built and founded upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ being the chief corner. The foundation which is built upon is, Jesus Christ. He is Messiah, Lord, King, Yvwh and His Kingdom of which the prophets foretold and the apostles preached. It is this Rock the church is built upon and the gates of hell can not prevail against. The Rock is the King and His Kingdom. Preach the gospel of the Kingdom in demonstration of power..in demonstration of His High Order of Government that triumphs over all. Too this we are called, to this we are to be His witnesses, in all the world.

 

 

 

 

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Posted: 03/16/2007 at 5:17pm | IP Logged Quote Denise Detwiler

 

theres some good info in this..and hmmm...not exactly where to go here. could go many directions....

 

ok - one is that God has been repeatedly turning my thoughts to the letters to Corinth in recent months. and pointing out that although they all came together into what had to have been some pretty large meetings, they were not one. there were various factions and groupings and even classes of people and nationalities who - although they were gathered - were not joined. and He is showing me how much of what we do in large gatherings is very like that. and even just the concepts of having 'certain' apostles or teachers we 'follow'. and not only this, historically many (not all) of the leaders encouraged this type of thinking. (unlike Paul who comes against it)

 

What you write of: it's not been seen so we really don't know completely what to expect.

 

In Corinth, 'these' didn't sit with 'those' and 'that group's' widows didn't get to participate in the distribution of food, if a 'certain person' had baptized you..that set you in line ahead of others....

 

And while we have tried with our best efforts, for a large part we have not yet (as a whole) absorbed enough of His heart and nature to step away from this and into better things. In fact it has been much worse at certain times of history than now...and in many groups it's been the visible leaders who have fanned the flames of this....from impure hearts.

 

now what I seem to see from my end...is that now there are very unlikely appearing (on the surface) emergences of what you are calling the new order. hidden beneath what seems to be the opposite...and about to be uncovered and revealed. you say as they become visible there is to be civil war and although this doesn't surprise me...my hope is that it can be mitigated as much as possible by the bearing and attitude of the new order as you call it (really been around a good long time however not able to be widespread and full fledged) and by the Lord Himself revealing Himself in and amongst them.

 

My hope for mitigation of the civil war is the desire to see far more than seems possible make this shift. And less tragedies and loss of life.

 

Am hoping for a great deal more happy joyous surprises than grievous and sad ones...although I know there will be both....

 

 

 

 

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Posted: 03/16/2007 at 6:35pm | IP Logged Quote Therese Manes

 

Whew...

 

I hope I don't offend anyone, but I'm so thankful God has kept me out of the churches, the "religious world", and mostly away from media. (TV, newspapers, radio)

 

I'm new to this wonderful website; and while I've never felt more "connected" to people in my life due to having received many of your same revelations--I honestly don't comprehend half of the terms that are being used on here. (i.e. five-fold ministry)

 

But that's okay --haha! I'm hanging in there, and being very blessed by all of this.

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Posted: 03/16/2007 at 6:49pm | IP Logged Quote susanvercelli

 

Hi Ray, the Lord gave me a word awhile back for leadership and order and I just thought it tied in with what you have shared her so I felt led by God to add this, thank you for sharing with us!

 

 

 

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Posted: 05/26/2006 at 1:40pm | IP Logged Quote susanvercelli

 

We learn from pst mistakes,Leadership must walk humble, and fear GOD, they have a moment by moment leading of the HolySPIRIT, They never underestimate who GOD can use, and they are always open for change and newness. They stay teachable, even when GOD gives great success and fame, they will not trust in approval or praises of man, they only seek GODS approval,PEACE... the mind of Christ, theres no spiritual pride, they come to JESUS daily like the blind man, say, I cant see show me, they come like a child like I know nothing, even what I think I know I lay down, come empty to be filled, they recieve the mind of CHRIST. His word comes first always, He meets us in his word, Theres no competition for position, or place, either ya know it or ya dont and ya get removed, if ya not sure your place ya get honest and ya will be shown. Leaders always open for correction, not proud, if it dont apply they let it fly, but if it does and their not accepting it their will be no peace till they surrender and get honest, and you will be continually confronted till you surrender, leaders will line up with GOD priorty"S not their own agenda, The fatherless the widow, the poor, even if GOD blesses you abundantly, with riches, spiritually and in natural, there will always be a ministry of giving to the poor, the true leaders know the more they give the more GOD blesses, they are faithfull stewards, and can be trusted with great wealth, used for GODS purpose, no greed or selfishness, for they know how can they enjoy the wealth if they arent sharing with the poor, this is the heart of the leadership, 1

 

Even those with great annointing position place in the kingdom, know they dont have to push to be heard or noticed, they only move with the spirit of GOD! they sit back and dont worry at times, they know noone can take their place in the Kingdom, their not threatened or insecure they know who they are, they are confident and bold and know that what GOD has for them to do, is only for them, its unique and cant be duplicated by flesh, some will try to copy, but it will be void of power and authority. leaders know all who are out of order will be drained and dealt with by GOD. they will have no peace and oppression and no good fruit if they are out of place. leaders know lip service is not enough, or even to understand intellectually, it must come from heart must be tested and tried and made life experience before you have power to preach it, those who try to preach from mind not heart are shallow and void of power, relegious flesh, they only understand on soul level(mind will intellect) but it never went deeper. Leaders dont preach like its for everyone else and not them, their never to proud to look at themselves, Real servants dont mind not being in the limelight, as a matter of fact they prefer not to, but when they are they always point to JESUS, and give him the GLORY< they refuse credit, give glory to GOD. They dont have to defend , but they will only at times defend truth, in order to to help someone see, so they can be set free.

 

 

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Posted: 03/16/2007 at 6:59pm | IP Logged Quote Therese Manes

 

Susan! You and these folks are just SO annointed with the TRUTH!!! (Oh, how I wish there were people like you in MY "neck of the woods" to fellowship with in person!) Haha!

 

 

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Posted: 03/16/2007 at 7:29pm | IP Logged Quote susanvercelli

Hi Therese, well there is! There"s you! You are a light sweetheart! You just shine for Jesus! and one thing God always spoke to me (which I didnt quite understand) was He would say, there"s no distance! meaning that I can be here and you can be there but there"s no distance when we are with God, He is here and there and everywhere! (meaning we are together even though we are long distance?) God is with us! and we are together! I Am with you, and you are with me! (thats the revy I got) Isn"t this Glorious! Amen and be Blessed by the Lord, follow and abide always! send ya love from New Jersey to wherever ya at!

 

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Posted: 03/16/2007 at 8:03pm | IP Logged Quote Denise Detwiler

 

Hi Teresa! Interestingly enough -- a part of what spurred my thought in this direction: "now what I seem to see from my end...is that now there are very unlikely appearing (on the surface) emergences of what you are calling the new order. hidden beneath what seems to be the opposite...and about to be uncovered and revealed."

 

was actually the use of 'five fold' and several other similar type words in the body of this message...it got my mind thinking of how certain things may give an appearance of or a sort of hiding of the reality that's within...certain looks and sounds trigger certain assumptions...but it really is far different than what may appear on the surface or at a glance or by the way it 'sounds' to the ear...

 

for the record...I hadn't heard the term 'five fold' until i think the 90's and then found out not too long after that what it meant in a general sense...but that has grown to have huge complicated structures round it for some people...it is also a widely used term that can connect the dots for some people.

 

there are several such terms in the above piece.

 

 

 

 

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Posted: 03/16/2007 at 8:34pm | IP Logged Quote Therese Manes

 

God bless you Susan, for your precious comment. Yes, it IS Glorious... and I'm sending love right back to ya, from Carolina Country.

 

And thank you Denise, for your additional insight. This post still has me in a bit of a tizzy; I'll have to read it over a few more times.Most of it confirms what the Holy Spirit has been showing me, but it's just those few terms that aren't actually used in scripture, that are throwing me back a bit.

 

I'm praying you ALL have a very blessed weekend!

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Posted: 03/16/2007 at 8:59pm | IP Logged Quote Kathy Bippus

 

Hi all,

 

What I hear and am seeing is the sound of the underground. An emergence of the living organism manifesting from within earth, upon earth.

 

Teresa, some refer to five-fold being apostles, prophets, teachers, evangelists, pastors. While these indeed exist, even as stated in scripture, they are merely gifts of servanthood appointed a certain function within the body of Christ. I hadn't heard the term five-fold either until the early 90's. What that has done, in a very subtle way is produce an esteeming of and an elitism. In the Kingdom of God all are servants, subjects. There is none above, nor beneath another but one. A servant will honor others better than themselves..meaning placing them above themself, in this we see in part the functioning of these gifts appointed by Him. Even as the Son of Man did not come to be served but to serve and the servant is not above His Master.

 

Sometimes when describing something we see of Him, in our limited vocabulary, we put a `term' upon it. What I think Ray is saying here by `new order' is his describing this..An emergence of the living organism manifesting from within and upon earth.

 

There is much that could be shared here and as Denise said, the structures and such. I encourage everyone to read through the Kingdom Growth Guides. As we beging to seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, all these things begin to align. That is what is taking place right now..shifting from the church emphasis, to the King and His Kingdom emphasis.

 

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Posted: 03/16/2007 at 9:27pm | IP Logged Quote Therese Manes

 

Ahhhh! Makes perfect sense to me now. Haha! Thank you! I guess I've never been one to get into "titles"... for myself, I just find it simpler for me to obey the calling God gives me--going where ever He leads and doing whatever He commands. Not to dishonor anyone who does hold titles; it's just that I'm most familiar with the meaning of those such as apostle, prophet, teacher, evangelist, etc., as mentioned in scripture and also above.

 

Thank you so much for taking the time to explain further Kathy, and I will definitely continue reading through those Kingdom Growth Guides.

 

Abundant blessings to all!

 

 

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Posted: 03/16/2007 at 10:19pm | IP Logged Quote Kathy Bippus

 

Feel the same way Terese!

 

He never intended for us to erect a building and call that the church. A building, be it house or warehouse(where-house*smiles) can be used by the church..the body of Christ. The body of Christ is the city of refuge, relationally, so how that manifests in practicality varies. It is far huger than what we have made of it, for sure. It actually blows my mind! wooo!

 

I think in some ways what we did is take the scripture that says` a mans gift will make room for him' and turned it backwards and man made a room for his gift.

 

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Posted: 03/17/2007 at 2:06am | IP Logged Quote Prema Laban

 

Isnt God amazing and faithful? For years, we have all in our individual lives felt this tug to something new in Him. I dont know about all of you but it is SO great to know that others are hearing similar truth. For me, we are moving to a season of FUNCTIONAL authority in the church - the true church is here already functioning as God intended us to- with the life of God flowing and healing for the nations who see Jesus lifted up as King, THE WORD who is life.

 

For me positional authority is meaningless if it is not backed up by heaven's government. Daniel records an event when all power is handed over by the court of heaven to the Son and then there is dominion handed over to the saints of the everlasting kingdom. There are those with functional authority who have a heavenly mandate wo have been commissioned and are in place to see God's purpose established wheresoever He wills it -

 

"I come to do Thy will O Lord" is the response of the sons who have been entrusted with this heavenly charge and there is nothing that is going to stop this kingdom for the King is in our midst.

 

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Posted: 03/17/2007 at 11:46am | IP Logged Quote Ray Ashmore

 

Susan,

 

Right on point with the word you just gave.

 

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Posted: 03/17/2007 at 12:43pm | IP Logged Quote Kathy Bippus

 

"I come to do Thy will O Lord" is the response of the sons who have been entrusted with this heavenly charge and there is nothing that is going to stop this kingdom for the King is in our midst." underline emphasis mine *K

 

Amen Prema, indeed He is oh so amazing and faithful! Oh such Beauty too behold! who is like unto our God..Who Reigns in wisom, might and splendor?!! He makes known His deeds among the people..Our Father, Who lives and abides in heaven, in the High Places, over and above all, Holy, Separate and Consecrated is Your Name, Your Kingdom, Your Governing come, manifest, appear on earth as it is in heaven!

 

 

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