Kirkby Bentinck, photographer and date unknown
This view features the old Kirkby South signal box and signals 28/29 which were shown on the opposite side of the Branch line on the Signal Box track diagram. Also of interest is the infamous Up passenger train 1O42, which we always knew as the "York-Bournemouth" That train continued to run right up to the final through working on Saturday 3 September 1966.
Now, a bit about the possible date and loco identity:
I have a contact who has amassed quite a bit of data about 1O42 (and the return working 1N83) trains. Also he has a lot of info on the Brush Type 2 diesels.
It transpires that the Brush Type 2 in the photo has English Electric exhaust ports in the roof. D5677 was the prototype for the engine replacement, in April 1964, with no others being done until February 1965. By that time Doncaster was also doing another modification, the little shields over the windscreen washer nozzles. As far as it is known D5677 was the only loco from GC times that combined English Electric exhaust ports with no shields over the windscreen washer nozzles. (There's one other known exception, D5500, which was one of the last to be re-engined and somehow never got the shields over the windscreen washer nozzles; it is still without them in the NRM).
So it is strongly believed that the photo is of D5677. However, I having a nagging feeling that the 3rd digit of the loco number doesn't look like a '7'. So if anyone else has evidence to identify the date and loco number I'd be pleased to hear their views.
Therefore, unless proved otherwise, I am saying:
D5677 was a Finsbury Park loco when first re-engined but reallocated to Tinsley in November 1964 so the photo was probably taken after that.
There are no leaves on the branches in the left of the shot. so the time would be around winter.
D5677 is known to have worked 1N83 on Saturday 21 November 1964. It is plausible this Kirkby Bentinck picture could be on this date as the 1O42 stock in the picture is the SR rake.
The only other known working for D5677 on 1O42/1N83 is an unidentified date in the week 10-14 May 1965 from a photo of 1N83 in the RCTS photo archive, but the Kirkby Bentinck photo is not that date.
In both instances there's also known workings of D5677 on Cleethorpes-Kings Cross trains around the same time. This suggests in both periods Tinsley were using D5677 as a Type 3 loco.
And it could, of course, be that the photo is of a loco working that is not known about at this moment. There are suspicions that D5677 probably did 1O42/1N83 more than once in November-December 1964, so we can't say for certain that the photo is Saturday 21 November 1964.
Finally, as things stand at present, there's no known workings on 1O42/1N83 of English Electric powered Brush T2s, apart from the 2 known D5677 workings. Finding another one would be an interesting development ........ Over to you !!!!!
Kirkby Bentinck, photographer and date unknown
This view features the old Kirkby South signal box and signals 28/29 which were shown on the opposite side of the Branch line on the Signal Box track diagram. Also of interest is the infamous Up passenger train 1O42, which we always knew as the "York-Bournemouth" That train continued to run right up to the final through working on Saturday 3 September 1966.
Now, a bit about the possible date and loco identity:
I have a contact who has amassed quite a bit of data about 1O42 (and the return working 1N83) trains. Also he has a lot of info on the Brush Type 2 diesels.
It transpires that the Brush Type 2 in the photo has English Electric exhaust ports in the roof. D5677 was the prototype for the engine replacement, in April 1964, with no others being done until February 1965. By that time Doncaster was also doing another modification, the little shields over the windscreen washer nozzles. As far as it is known D5677 was the only loco from GC times that combined English Electric exhaust ports with no shields over the windscreen washer nozzles. (There's one other known exception, D5500, which was one of the last to be re-engined and somehow never got the shields over the windscreen washer nozzles; it is still without them in the NRM).
So it is strongly believed that the photo is of D5677. However, I having a nagging feeling that the 3rd digit of the loco number doesn't look like a '7'. So if anyone else has evidence to identify the date and loco number I'd be pleased to hear their views.
Therefore, unless proved otherwise, I am saying:
D5677 was a Finsbury Park loco when first re-engined but reallocated to Tinsley in November 1964 so the photo was probably taken after that.
There are no leaves on the branches in the left of the shot. so the time would be around winter.
D5677 is known to have worked 1N83 on Saturday 21 November 1964. It is plausible this Kirkby Bentinck picture could be on this date as the 1O42 stock in the picture is the SR rake.
The only other known working for D5677 on 1O42/1N83 is an unidentified date in the week 10-14 May 1965 from a photo of 1N83 in the RCTS photo archive, but the Kirkby Bentinck photo is not that date.
In both instances there's also known workings of D5677 on Cleethorpes-Kings Cross trains around the same time. This suggests in both periods Tinsley were using D5677 as a Type 3 loco.
And it could, of course, be that the photo is of a loco working that is not known about at this moment. There are suspicions that D5677 probably did 1O42/1N83 more than once in November-December 1964, so we can't say for certain that the photo is Saturday 21 November 1964.
Finally, as things stand at present, there's no known workings on 1O42/1N83 of English Electric powered Brush T2s, apart from the 2 known D5677 workings. Finding another one would be an interesting development ........ Over to you !!!!!