Sidney Albert Painter Killed in Flanders November 1917
In sweet and loving memory of
SIDNEY ALBERT PAINTER
The dearly loved son of
ANN, and the late E.L.PAINTER
Who was killed in action in Flanders
On November 17th 1917
Aged 20 years and 11 months.
“I’ll be a true soldier and die at my post”
PAINTER, SIDNEY ALBERT
Rank:…………………….....Serjeant
Service No:……………….13923
Date of Death:………….17/11/1917
Regiment:………………....Suffolk Regiment, 8th Bn.
Panel Reference:………Panel 40 to 41 and 162 to 162A.
Memorial:……………….....TYNE COT MEMORIAL
CWGC: www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/1635911/PAINTER,%20SI...
Soldiers died in the Great War records that Sergeant Sidney Albert Painter was Killed in Action on the 17th November 1917 whilst serving with the 8th Battalion, Suffolk Regiment. He was born and enlisted Lowestoft. No place of residence is recorded.
The Medal Index Card for Serjeant 13923 Sydney A Painter, Suffolk Regiment, is held at the National Archive under reference WO 372/15/93929
He had originally been a Private/Lance Corporal when he first entered Theatre of War.
discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D4493054
His Service Records do not appear to have survived the incendiary attack during the Blitz on the Warehouse where all the Army Service records were stored.
No obvious missing person enquiry received by the International Red Cross.
No obvious Soldiers Will or Civil Probate for this man.
Sidney is remembered on the Roll of Honour in the parish church of St Andrews, Roman Hill, Lowestoft.
www.roll-of-honour.com/Suffolk/LowestoftStAndrewChurch.html
1896/97 – Birth and baptism
The birth of a Sidney Albert Painter was registered in the Mutford District of Suffolk in the January to March quarter, (Q1), of 1897. Then, as now, you had 42 days to register the birth with the Civil Authorities, so potentially Sidney could have been born as early as mid-November 1896.
Mutford District included Lowestoft.
The baptism of a Sidney Albert Painter, no date of birth recorded, took place at St Margaret, Lowestoft, on the 1st January 1897. His parents were Ernest Leonard and Ann.
familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXN8-K2B
1901 Censuses of England & Wales and Scotland
The 4 year old Sidney Painter, born Lowestoft, was recorded living at 24 Seago Street, Lowestoft. This was the household of his parents Ernest, (aged 39 and a Shipwright, born Brixham, Devon), and Ann, (aged 38, born Lowestoft). As well as Sidney their other children are:-
Sarah……aged 19….born Lowestoft….Dressmaker
Gertrude.. aged 17….born Lowestoft….Drapers Assistant
Ernest…...aged 15….born Lowestoft….Apprentice Shipwright
Walter…..aged 12….born Lowestoft
Olive……aged 9……born Lowestoft
1911 Census of England and Wales
The Painter family were recorded living at 78 Haward Street, Lowestoft. Parents Ernest L, (49, now recorded as a Smack Owner and Shipwright) and Ann, (47), have been married 29 years and have had 6 children, all then still alive. Still single and living at home are Olive, (19), and Sidney, (14, Sail Maker). Also in the household is a 5 year old Grandson, Ernest F Youngman, born Lowestoft.
On the day
From “Tyne Cot Cemetery and Memorial: In Memory and In Mourning” by Paul Chapman.
(Page 111). On the night of 17 November 1917, in advance of their relief the following night, a reconnoitring party from 8th Suffolks arrived at the pill-box headquarters of 102nd Bn. Canadian Infantry requesting permission to be sent up the line. After proceeding less then 200 yards, the flying splinters of a shell-burst some distance to their left caused the Suffolks seven casualties, two fatal.
(Panel 40) Sergt. 13923 Sidney Albert Painter, 8th (Service) Bn The Suffolk Regt.: enlisted Lowestoft. Killed in Action 17 November 1917. See also Pte. F. Prigg (Below)
…..
(Page 112) (Panel 40) Pte. 14109, Frederick Prigg, “A” Coy, 8th (Service) Bn. The Suffolk Regt: s. of William Prigg, of Moulton, Newmarket, co. Suffolk, by his wife Alice: enlisted Newmarket. Killed in action 17 November 1917: Age 28. See also Sergt. S.A.Painter (above).
books.google.co.uk/books?id=4Bm4DAAAQBAJ&pg=PA111&...
I can only assume from that that Sidneys’ body was originally buried and then his grave subsequently lost.
From the War Diary of the 102nd Battalion, Canadian Infantry.
Hillside Farm, November 17 1917
Map Zonnebecke 28.N.E.1
The morning broke with fog. “D” Co. suffered heavily in local support, losing 7 men from one shell burst. Heavy enemy fire all morning. A carrying party sent up by the 87th for their wounded man was dispersed with casualties. At 8 pm a reconnoitring party from the Suffolks, our relieving battalion, called at H.Q. and was sent forward under Battalion Runners. Two hundred yards away from H.Q. the rear end of the party was caught by a shell which killed two, severely wounded another + inflicted minor injuries on 4 more. Our runners seeing that there were men capable of procuring help from H.Q. pushed on with the balance of the party. Our Casualties:- 12 Killed; Lieut. W.W. Dunlop wounded at duty, 21 OR wounded.
www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/lac-bac/results/images?module...
That makes it sound like more of a direct hit, which could account for the lack of graves.
Sidney Albert Painter Killed in Flanders November 1917
In sweet and loving memory of
SIDNEY ALBERT PAINTER
The dearly loved son of
ANN, and the late E.L.PAINTER
Who was killed in action in Flanders
On November 17th 1917
Aged 20 years and 11 months.
“I’ll be a true soldier and die at my post”
PAINTER, SIDNEY ALBERT
Rank:…………………….....Serjeant
Service No:……………….13923
Date of Death:………….17/11/1917
Regiment:………………....Suffolk Regiment, 8th Bn.
Panel Reference:………Panel 40 to 41 and 162 to 162A.
Memorial:……………….....TYNE COT MEMORIAL
CWGC: www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/1635911/PAINTER,%20SI...
Soldiers died in the Great War records that Sergeant Sidney Albert Painter was Killed in Action on the 17th November 1917 whilst serving with the 8th Battalion, Suffolk Regiment. He was born and enlisted Lowestoft. No place of residence is recorded.
The Medal Index Card for Serjeant 13923 Sydney A Painter, Suffolk Regiment, is held at the National Archive under reference WO 372/15/93929
He had originally been a Private/Lance Corporal when he first entered Theatre of War.
discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D4493054
His Service Records do not appear to have survived the incendiary attack during the Blitz on the Warehouse where all the Army Service records were stored.
No obvious missing person enquiry received by the International Red Cross.
No obvious Soldiers Will or Civil Probate for this man.
Sidney is remembered on the Roll of Honour in the parish church of St Andrews, Roman Hill, Lowestoft.
www.roll-of-honour.com/Suffolk/LowestoftStAndrewChurch.html
1896/97 – Birth and baptism
The birth of a Sidney Albert Painter was registered in the Mutford District of Suffolk in the January to March quarter, (Q1), of 1897. Then, as now, you had 42 days to register the birth with the Civil Authorities, so potentially Sidney could have been born as early as mid-November 1896.
Mutford District included Lowestoft.
The baptism of a Sidney Albert Painter, no date of birth recorded, took place at St Margaret, Lowestoft, on the 1st January 1897. His parents were Ernest Leonard and Ann.
familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXN8-K2B
1901 Censuses of England & Wales and Scotland
The 4 year old Sidney Painter, born Lowestoft, was recorded living at 24 Seago Street, Lowestoft. This was the household of his parents Ernest, (aged 39 and a Shipwright, born Brixham, Devon), and Ann, (aged 38, born Lowestoft). As well as Sidney their other children are:-
Sarah……aged 19….born Lowestoft….Dressmaker
Gertrude.. aged 17….born Lowestoft….Drapers Assistant
Ernest…...aged 15….born Lowestoft….Apprentice Shipwright
Walter…..aged 12….born Lowestoft
Olive……aged 9……born Lowestoft
1911 Census of England and Wales
The Painter family were recorded living at 78 Haward Street, Lowestoft. Parents Ernest L, (49, now recorded as a Smack Owner and Shipwright) and Ann, (47), have been married 29 years and have had 6 children, all then still alive. Still single and living at home are Olive, (19), and Sidney, (14, Sail Maker). Also in the household is a 5 year old Grandson, Ernest F Youngman, born Lowestoft.
On the day
From “Tyne Cot Cemetery and Memorial: In Memory and In Mourning” by Paul Chapman.
(Page 111). On the night of 17 November 1917, in advance of their relief the following night, a reconnoitring party from 8th Suffolks arrived at the pill-box headquarters of 102nd Bn. Canadian Infantry requesting permission to be sent up the line. After proceeding less then 200 yards, the flying splinters of a shell-burst some distance to their left caused the Suffolks seven casualties, two fatal.
(Panel 40) Sergt. 13923 Sidney Albert Painter, 8th (Service) Bn The Suffolk Regt.: enlisted Lowestoft. Killed in Action 17 November 1917. See also Pte. F. Prigg (Below)
…..
(Page 112) (Panel 40) Pte. 14109, Frederick Prigg, “A” Coy, 8th (Service) Bn. The Suffolk Regt: s. of William Prigg, of Moulton, Newmarket, co. Suffolk, by his wife Alice: enlisted Newmarket. Killed in action 17 November 1917: Age 28. See also Sergt. S.A.Painter (above).
books.google.co.uk/books?id=4Bm4DAAAQBAJ&pg=PA111&...
I can only assume from that that Sidneys’ body was originally buried and then his grave subsequently lost.
From the War Diary of the 102nd Battalion, Canadian Infantry.
Hillside Farm, November 17 1917
Map Zonnebecke 28.N.E.1
The morning broke with fog. “D” Co. suffered heavily in local support, losing 7 men from one shell burst. Heavy enemy fire all morning. A carrying party sent up by the 87th for their wounded man was dispersed with casualties. At 8 pm a reconnoitring party from the Suffolks, our relieving battalion, called at H.Q. and was sent forward under Battalion Runners. Two hundred yards away from H.Q. the rear end of the party was caught by a shell which killed two, severely wounded another + inflicted minor injuries on 4 more. Our runners seeing that there were men capable of procuring help from H.Q. pushed on with the balance of the party. Our Casualties:- 12 Killed; Lieut. W.W. Dunlop wounded at duty, 21 OR wounded.
www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/lac-bac/results/images?module...
That makes it sound like more of a direct hit, which could account for the lack of graves.